Ok Attention all PC builders!!

amrrahmy said:
i didn't say hardware incompatible!

motherboards for amd almost always have ati chipset on it tho, where if you wanted nvidia chipset, you would go intel, not sure about the benchmarks you mention, lower priced ati cards vs power efficient nvidia maybe, that must be it. some nvidia cards are specifically built for power efficiency and they do exactly what they are supposed to.

but in reality nvidia cards are usually better overall.
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My apologies for jumping to conclusions on your unmentioned statement.

As for the benchmarks, here's some: http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17747/5

They're more evenly matched than I expected, though let's compare prices shall we? As of this writing, on Newegg a GTX285 and 295 (the top tier Nvidia cards until the Fermi cards come out) are roughly $380 and $530 respectively. Compare this to their ATI competitors, the 5850 and 5870 at $300 and $400 respectively.

Even better is the fact that you don't even have to spend this ridiculous amount on a GPU. The middle-ground competitor is the Radeon 5770 vs. the GTS 250, with the nvidia winning the price front (By about $40). Yet these benchmarks show a huge increase in GFLOP performance on the 5770.

Like I said, I'm not saying nvidia is bad. I'm sticking with it myself because of CUDA (which I absolutely love), and am really ashamed of nvidia for slacking off lately. There's supposed difficulties in getting the GF100 out, but I hope it does soon, as I'm due for an upgrade soon enough. For your purposes, nvidia probably *is* the better choice, because of CUDA.
 
Smifis said:
Okay lets get a few things sorted out,

On the CPU end of the scale, Intel are streaks ahead of AMD
You cant even compare them atm.

Graphics side, ATI is more powerfull than nVidia BUT vvideo editing isn't very graphic card intensive at this present time.

Premiere will soon be able to take advantage of CUDA technologvy wich will make editing much easier and rendertimes shorter. But for cuda you need a quadro card.

Okay so i7 and nvidia quadro.

If you streatch your budget to just over $1000 then you will have the ability to get a dual i7 system.
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You know I honestly don't know why Adobe specified a Quadro card for CUDA usage in CS5, because CUDA is available on practically all of their video cards these days, going back to the 8x00 line. I'd honestly wait to see how this works, because current GPU acceleration in AE and PS do not require a Quadro, only a CUDA capable card.

With the OP's budget in mind, the i7 860 is not much more than the i5 750, yes; however, every dollar counts! There's about an $80 difference between the two
 
RX782 said:
You know I honestly don't know why Adobe specified a Quadro card for CUDA usage in CS5, because CUDA is available on practically all of their video cards these days, going back to the 8x00 line. I'd honestly wait to see how this works, because current GPU acceleration in AE and PS do not require a Quadro, only a CUDA capable card.

With the OP's budget in mind, the i7 860 is not much more than the i5 750, yes; however, every dollar counts! There's about an $80 difference between the two
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It's all a big con, yes, CUDA's been around for ages and it can be used in some games but professional programs are made to only use CUDA on professional graphic cards. Big con but you get what you pay for.
 
djbless said:
what you think about this dell pc here? Do you think a gt220 is good enough for premier?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+...ssor/9699025.p?skuId=9699025&id=1218152464094

or

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+...ategoryId=pcmcat200200050003&id=1218153428223
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gt220 is more than enough for video editing, the only thing is you wont be able to use Adobe Mercury when it is released in CS5. no big whoopie atm but it might be a good idea to future proof yourself.

The Dell is very nice but in all honesty, paying an extra $100 for a dell with dedicated graphics card isn't really what you want for an $70 card. Dell IMO are a waste of time for anyone other office workers.

So you have 3 options, Buy the dell and be happy with it, buy the Asus who are a very well known brand amost system builders and add a gaphics card for $50 or a quadro for $120, or build it yourself.

Personally i like building myself, you KNOW what's in it. but out of those two pre-built systems, i'd go for the ASUS anytime and add a graphics card.
 
Smifis said:
gt220 is more than enough for video editing, the only thing is you wont be able to use Adobe Mercury when it is released in CS5. no big whoopie atm but it might be a good idea to future proof yourself.

The Dell is very nice but in all honesty, paying an extra $100 for a dell with dedicated graphics card isn't really what you want for an $70 card. Dell IMO are a waste of time for anyone other office workers.

So you have 3 options, Buy the dell and be happy with it, buy the Asus who are a very well known brand amost system builders and add a gaphics card for $50 or a quadro for $120, or build it yourself.

Personally i like building myself, you KNOW what's in it. but out of those two pre-built systems, i'd go for the ASUS anytime and add a graphics card.
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Thanks U Sir Asus It Is.
 
For what it's worth, I'm on my second or third Asus motherboard over the last several years and have had no complaints.

Smifis - I believe more than just the Quadro cards will be supported. I found this quote from some of the Adobe sales pitch for Mercury:

Question: "Anything else I should know?"
Answer: Yes. The list of approved GPU cards will be limited initially to ensure that we have a consistent experience for our customers. Obviously this begs the question of which cards are you going to support? I think the answer here could be a moving target but two cards that I've been told will be supported are the GeForce GTX 285, the Quadro FX 4800, 5800 and the Quadro CX. I'm currently doing my testing with the Quadro 4800. The GeForce GTX 285 card should be one to really look at as it's street price is only about $300.00 and provides a real value to users that are looking to get the maximum bang for the buck.

Update 1-14-10: We will have support for the Quadro FX 3800 as well.
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The GTX 285 is still not a cheap card, but that's the just official approved cards. I would imagine that any CUDA capable card will work to some degree or another. Again, I'm just guessing, but I have a hard time seeing them limiting it specific chipsets when all their GPU's in the last couple of years are CUDA capable.
 
"But for cuda you need a quadro card." -- Not really. CUDA is supported on quite a few chipsets, including 8400GT (or is it 8500GT? Anyway, a rather cheap card). Nvidia website has a page that shows cards that have CUDA support.

CoreAVC supports CUDA, which is great for watching AVCHD, but not so much for editing. I wish Sony enabled CUDA support in Vegas.

I have a cheap 8400 card (no GT or GTS) and was thinking of upgrading to CUDA-enabled card, but so far Vegas cannot take advantage of it, and as for AVCHD playback, CoreAVC does it just fine using CPU only, at full 60 fps.

Bottom line: if you cannot take advantage of graphics card RIGHT NOW, then maybe it makes sense to buy something for around $50, and upgrade later.

EDIT: Oh, and don't buy "brand-name" computers, they may have some stupid proprietary things like device bays, which you will never use, and which only take valuable space. I was stupid enough to buy and HP, now I have 2 extension bays for HP-only devices that I don't use, and I cannot remove these bays because they are welded to HDD frame. Pure idiocy.
 
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I realize that there are many cuda enabled cards out there, such as the 9500gt, but from what i read, these can't take advantage of the mercury engine, or at least, most of them.

BTW, i'm editing on a 9500gt 1GB card and it has it limits but its defiantly good enough.
 
djbless said:
Thanks guys for all the info This is the set up I just purchased today

I just got in from best buy today and purchased this PC straight for video editing http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+E...&skuId=9699025

I am waiting for my graphics card to come in now i got this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-062-_-Product

For a Monitor I purchased this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Now i am good and ready to roll spent a lil over 1k but well worth it.
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Why did you buy that when you could have bought this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+...721708.p?id=1218159404609&skuId=9721708&st=i7

Best bang for the buck PERIOD!!!!!

Cuda, i7 and 9 gigs of ram, 1 TB Hard drive.

For $800.

Never mind the reviews.
THe issue with this system is the Case flange unseats the graphics card and causes it to not boot, then customers return it.

Adjust the flange so the graphic card stays in place and you have the best system $800 can buy.

I have done this for mine and 3 other friends computers.
Same problem every time. Once you adjust the bracket that holds the card, you will never have any more issues.
 
Green Hornet said:
Why did you buy that when you could have bought this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+...721708.p?id=1218159404609&skuId=9721708&st=i7

Best bang for the buck PERIOD!!!!!

Cuda, i7 and 9 gigs of ram, 1 TB Hard drive.

For $800.

Never mind the reviews.
THe issue with this system is the Case flange unseats the graphics card and causes it to not boot, then customers return it.

Adjust the flange so the graphic card stays in place and you have the best system $800 can buy.

I have done this for mine and 3 other friends computers.
Same problem every time. Once you adjust the bracket that holds the card, you will never have any more issues.
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Very True brother but i heard soooo much bad things about it being shipped with way to many problems for me to go thru or trial and error test.
 
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