Oh why did I shoot 24pa???!!! Broadcast woes.

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I shot an ad at 24pa. An ad that will be broadcast on TV. and 24pa doesn't seem to look that good when I try to export it from after effects to an interlaced 29.97 file.

Soooooo.

Does anyone know if there is a proper way to convert 24pa to 60i???

Do I need to ad a certain pulldown? (the wssww type thingys)???

If anyone knows please share the wealth........I'm beating my head against the wall as it is for just shooting 24pa.

Thanks
-Tyler
 
Shooting 24pa was an okay thing to do. Now the question is how you're editing it. If you're editing in a 24P timeline, you should have the option of outputting using 2-3 pulldown.

If you're editing 60i, then it would have been better to shoot 24PN instead.

If it needs to go to After Effects, can you output it as an uncompressed 24P sequence?
 
I already edited the footage on a 24p timeline in vegas. I rendered it out as a 24p file. Then I pulled it into after effects to do the titles and any CG stuff, now I think I pulled it onto a 29.97 timeline, I get wierd motion when I render it out 60i and watch it on a TV.

If I change the timeline in after effects to 24 frames a second and render it out 60i will I get decent results? and which pulldown should I use?

(you can see the ad here www.finaldesignstudios.com/plowman.wmv)
 
Okay, you've got no problem then -- if you edited on a 24p timeline, you can output a DV .AVI using 2-3 pulldown.

Then when you import to After Effects, you've got two choices: you can use a 29.97 file and just do it as-is, or you can use a 24P timeline and tell AE to remove pulldown (I think it'll be WWSSW, but you can tell it to guess). That would give you the full 24-frame sequence in progressive format.

AfterEffects can render that back to an uncompressed file, which you can import into Vegas and use to make your final NTSC-compliant file.

Or, if you're using a 29.97 timeline, you can just output the final right from AE.

So -- you didn't foul up, everything's fine, and it'll all work fine. 24PA was actually the right mode to shoot in.
 
Keep AE set for 23.976fps (for 23.976 clips) but on output set it to Add Pulldown. (Output options). If you just place 23.976 clip in an AE comp of 29.97 then it will just do a tiem stretch, not add pulldown.
 
For what it's worth, this is one reason I was told that shooting in 60i is best when shooting for broadcast over the air and when converting to 35mm film. I had several people tell me this.
 
Then they gave you bad advice. Shooting straight 60i for a filmout is the worst thing you could possibly do. The correct answer is to always shoot 24pA as long as you can remove the 2:3:3:2 pulldown and insert a 2:3:2:3 pulldown if necessary. Tyler did the right thing--he just needed a little help with his workflow.

digitial dan said:
For what it's worth, this is one reason I was told that shooting in 60i is best when shooting for broadcast over the air and when converting to 35mm film. I had several people tell me this.
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Exactly right. If you're going for a film transfer, you absolutely positively should be shooting 24p. If shooting for broadcast, shoot 24p if you want the filmlook, or 60i for the video look. But 24p is just as broadcastable as 60i is -- only substantial difference is how it "looks".
 
Okay Barry Green, Barry S, ScottDvx100 etc. and the rest, this thread has me convinced, I NEED TO READ UP ON PULLDOWNS. It's driving me mad!
 
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