Odyssey 7Q drive transfer times - other people's experience.

paulcurtis said:
Whilst the NASes are all 2 disc redundant, it's still not as safe as a copy in a separate location.
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Thats why I just buy pairs of hard drives. I can see a Nas if you need a lot online at one point. Lucky my projects thus far have not gone over a TB so I can basically have (and charge for) a pair of discs for a project/client

All in all it is fairly horrid.

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You are so right Paul, it's the offsite and additional backups. I've been upping from dual cage 2x4tb das's to 5x3tb das. It's pleasing to hear if you are made of money you can buy 6tb drives now or shortly. But if love a fibre link to a mates place :)

ive be tried adding an ssd in a bay of my 10gbe qnap for latency improvement , thought I could move my Lightroom cache there maybe for timelapses. Didn't work. Their implementation is more designed for virtualisation volumes :( sigh. Ain't got the coin to fill the nas with the new msata 1tb samsung screamers ;)
 
That escalated quickly...

A director/photographer friend of mine recently mentioned he was looking at a Drobo for back up. It sounded like it was slow but reliable. In his words 'a lot of photographers have them now'
 
Hmm, single location NAS of any brand is not back up, just tip a coffee over it, have a lightening strike (yes I have a UPS in front of mine) or a break in and game over, not to mention an errant two year old, just sacked DIT, or overtired yourself, or pissed off missus, who just found your other phone can press Apple A delete empty trash at any moment.

I feel strongly that media disconnected from both power and any form of connectivity, local or global (virus anyone?) are safest.

I do have a NAS on my network, but basically it is a dump for delivered content (much smaller) if the client loses it, handy, but not a 'backup' although to some extent it backs up the backup.

Looking to photographers is somewhat dubious because I guess even the worst spray and pray merchants are rarely topping 100gb for a day. (Id shoot about 36 frames on a Sunday Times job-an amount I learned from the size of a film)

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Im feeling old though, does that mean Im clever or a technophobe? I dunno. For example Lightroom mentioned above (and FCPx?) - I steer clear - again because of their cataloguing systems which don't seem to handle 'off-lines' well.

Double HD by date and find the date of the shoot by querying your invoices!

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Coming back to the O7q another 'safe' in photography and 23mbs Video I use is card rotation, maybe 10 cards on the go in a 2-3 card/day environment, so after a dump you don't format the card and you have another temporary safe , being dumped not formatted cards

I only format a card right before I have to roll on it maybe a week or a month later, (again Im superstitious that formatting card on the device you are about to use it on is a good thing) This gives one extra coverage for the first week or so after the shoot, allowing any DIT muppetry to come to light.

On that basis if you cannot format onboard the O7q (can you?) I would personally see that as a problem.

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Enjoy the BBC effort to move to hard drives :)


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Colinelves said:
That escalated quickly...

A director/photographer friend of mine recently mentioned he was looking at a Drobo for back up. It sounded like it was slow but reliable. In his words 'a lot of photographers have them now'
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Yes. They're slow but quite expensive, you're paying for some nice industrial design and to think a a bit different. The two brands i've used heavily are NetGear ReadyNAS and Synology. Synology have proved to be better for me. I started with a small 2 drive one, went to a 5 drive now i have an 8 and a 12. You can do RAID6 (or SHR2) which gives two disc redudancy if you have enough drives (5 or more i think)

Speed of these things also depends on the hardware inside and the OS they are running - they're not just a collection of drives. You get what you pay for.

mail if thee's anything specific you want to know!

cheers
Paul
 
morgan_moore said:
On that basis if you cannot format onboard the O7q (can you?) I would personally see that as a problem.




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You can and must format the SSDs in the O7Q.

I guess we have always lived dangerously in this business. Back in the days of tape, there was only one tape at the end of the day. I did dupe a lot of them, but not all projects.

These days I dupe everything to at least 3 places, 2 right away in the field, on long shoots, I sometimes even FEDEx compact drives back to the studio every few days.

I keep all current projects on a RAID5 on one of the suites and a backup on a separate HDs, one in the studio and one in the house.

My old tape library is only in one place except for very important projects that may have been duped several times and kept in different locations like with producers or clients (may times they have lost tapes and HDs), but I have always managed to find the media in my library.

These days I just use HDs in a SATA caddy, drives are so cheap. At last count I have well over 100 HDs in different sizes and shapes in 2 locations. I also have at least a dozen pocket FW, USB3 or TB drives for on location BU.

Over the years a couple dozen drives have died completely, so it is very important to be redundant.

Everyone has to come up with system that fits their budget and workflow. Not all footage is worth archiving. I always explain to clients data is not safe, no matter how much you back up, and explain the costs of BU, some clients want to keep their footage themselves others don't care. I never guarantee that data will not be lost. You do the best you can. I have lost some footage over the years but not too much, and never anything current.
 
Copied a full 256gig SSD (it read as 236.66 gigs on the iMac) using Seagate Thunderbolt port to 4TB G-Tech Thunderbolt RAID and it took 15 minutes. That's pretty fast IMO.
 
olof said:
You can and must format the SSDs in the O7Q.

I guess we have always lived dangerously in this business. Back in the days of tape, there was only one tape at the end of the day. I did dupe a lot of them, but not all projects.
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Back in the days of film (well, some of us are still living those days) there was only one film and it was really difficult to copy it: neg, to inter pos, back to neg) and it had a nasty habit of getting scratched, developing hairs, going weird in the bath or simply being lost by the rushes runner or fogged by a tired loader who opens the mag without first closing the dark room door (not that I ever did that, thank god!). Of course, back then productions were sensible enough to have neg insurance, contingency funds and proper planning Nd budgeting to cover re shoots.


Anyway... One quick question: do you guys think it is worth forking out the extra £400 to get the 1tb SSD in the new Macbook rather than the 512? What with Lacie bringing out super fast thunderbolt 2 drives fairly will I need those extra 500 speedy gigs? I could just spend the money on one of them.
 
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