November trailer

Just because he captured 4:4:4 doesn't mean it wasn't already compressed by the DV codec. I highly doubt they had figured out 2 years ago how to get an uncompressed 4:4:4 bypassing the DV codec.
 
I saw NOVEMBER´s trailer some months ago on the extras of a DVD I rented. Can´t remember what is the film. Anyway, that was a brazilian edition. I noticed right on the first moment that was DV footage. Not bad at all, but anyone who knows a bit could notice.
 
I agree the comps look great (outside of store ++++) the story is very interesting as well.
I hate those heavy greens and blues...It reminds me of old ParCans...The shots with white background are where the DVX sings baby...I wanted to be blown away, (also Matrix II), you know that moment when you think, this is going to be really special and there is no way I could even work out how they did it...then after...Hey that wasn’t impossible to achieve...The story held it together rather than the look...don't get me wrong the lightings fantastic...but I think they could have gone for something edgy. I’ve seen some great DP/ Cam work on this board that blows this away…just not in one complete package with a really tight story…
That’s what most of us need to be aiming at…
 
jpbankesmercer said:
..I’ve seen some great DP/ Cam work on this board that blows this away…just not in one complete package with a really tight story…
That’s what most of us need to be aiming at…
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On that note, has DVXUSER ever done any kind of "DVXUSER Excellence in Cinematography" award, you know, a user poll for the 'Top 10 DVXUSER' footage ever posted? If you have any links to some of the work that match your statement of "..Cam work on this board that blows this away..", PLEASE send me a link as I'd love to see what others deem top notch work with the DVX.

Thx!
 
Good point...
Have a look at..
Rich Lee...check out his early dvx music vid...one of the best lighting/ comps I've seen.
Norm Li...Number 6 (gritty style that sooo suits the DVX)
Broken...Time spent....Comps...superb fx....like I said, worked on.
Disjecta...Super stylistic glorious...wild lake man...
Greeches...His contrasty outside work...
John Hudson...No slouch with a redhead or a blonde, getting better and creepier.
And those are the first to spring to mind...before going through all posts...
Anyone else want to join in...?
 
jpbankesmercer said:
Good point...
Have a look at..
Rich Lee...check out his early dvx music vid...one of the best lighting/ comps I've seen.
Norm Li...Number 6 (gritty style that sooo suits the DVX)
Broken...Time spent....Comps...superb fx....like I said, worked on.
Disjecta...Super stylistic glorious...wild lake man...
Greeches...His contrasty outside work...
John Hudson...No slouch with a redhead or a blonde, getting better and creepier.
And those are the first to spring to mind...before going through all posts...
Anyone else want to join in...?
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ok, because you've provided the impetus and starting point, I thought I would do the follow up and post what I think are the links (or relevant links) to the clips you are referring to:

1. Rich Lee: http://www.rich-lee.com/BFJLY.mov

2. Norm Li: http://www.q-films.com/clips/number6.mov

3. Disjecta: http://www.pinelakefilms.com/

4. Greeches: http://66.0.183.250/daveeckert.com/vid/downtown.wmv and/or http://66.0.183.250/daveeckert.com/vid/sample.wmv

5. John Hudson: http://outlandpictures.com/movies/UDTESTN.mov


I'd still love to see a forum wide poll culminating in a top 10 list of the all time best footage shot with a DVX by a DVXUSER member!
 
You did the digging murph, spot on...brokens missing though...
Sorry Scharky how could I forget the sublime AWAKE..
Plus all the others I've left off...I will dig through my favs when I get time...
Jp
Those links are really worth checking out...there are lots of other great lighting/ composition setups, but those are all using the DVX...
 
I'd like to add my 2004 production "BitterSweet", after all it won 2 prizes last year ;-)
I've seen it recently projected with a 15,000 dollar beamer and man, it never looked so good at a big screen. It was shot with a DVX100 PAL (25p) with the cinegamma settings, the extra PAL resolution is very welcome.
Watch and read about it at http://www.orphicfilm.nl/html/bs.html
 
November was edited and mastered at uncompressed Standard definition NTSC 4:2:2 23.976p from the original DV master tapes. Original edit was done at DV25 but as the film went through the editing process, the elements were replaced by recapturing at uncompressed SD over SDI. All effects were done as uncompressed SD. They used a combination of Avid Xpress Pro and Media Composer Adrenaline for the editing/finishing.

Once complete, and the film went through the film out process, they may have exported uncompressed TIFF files in RGB space which which would be 4:4:4 for the uprez portion of the workflow.

Michael
 
MichaelP said:
November was edited and mastered at uncompressed Standard definition NTSC 4:2:2 23.976p from the original DV master tapes. Original edit was done at DV25 but as the film went through the editing process, the elements were replaced by recapturing at uncompressed SD over SDI. All effects were done as uncompressed SD. They used a combination of Avid Xpress Pro and Media Composer Adrenaline for the editing/finishing.

Once complete, and the film went through the film out process, they may have exported uncompressed TIFF files in RGB space which which would be 4:4:4 for the uprez portion of the workflow.

Michael
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Barry or Michael (or anyone for that matter) could you please explain this so that an idiot like me can understand it? I have been reading about "uncompressed SD" but then I've also read that it can't be accomplished with MiniDV as it is automatically compressed when it goes to tape (assuming that the tape and codec is not bypassed). So I really don't understand this. I see it eluded to on the board (like this) but I just don't know what it means, if I should be concerned about it, or how to do it. Help?

Matt
 
DV is compressed on the tape. And it can be edited natively, from the compressed source. However, you don't have to edit natively. You could choose to uncompress the footage, which would result in very large files, and slower performance, but as long as you remained in the uncompressed domain, you would have potentially better performance for graphics and keying and things like that. Compression reduces the color space and introduces artifacts. Uncompressed video doesn't affect the color space and doesn't introduce any type of artifacts. So color correcting and outputting uncompressed video will be an enormous space hog, but can result in higher-quality final product than recompressing the whole thing back down to DV tape.

In my humble estimate, 99.99999999999% of all DV is edited in its native format. There's not all that much uncompressed work going on, and it's not really an issue for almost any users. It is, however, out there, and if you're using Avid and working in an uncompressed timeline/workflow, there are some potential benefits.

For a straight cut it's pretty much pointless -- if you're doing cuts-only editing, or you're planning on rendering back out to DV tape, you won't really gain much of anything that "stays" by editing uncompressed.
 
In my humble estimate, 99.99999999999%
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That's not a very humble estimate Barry. You've got 13 significant figures there. Do you really think there have been 10^13 DV projects in the history of the medium? Considering I've used editing timelines rendering to lossless codecs and uncompressed, your figure is almost certainly off.

-Spiff
 
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