Nobody does it worse.

olindacat

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I just can't help myself: I have to lay claim to being the biggest idiot on this site.

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S...

...to me!

I win the moron of the century award here at DVXuser.com!

Nobody here is so fantastically incompetent than I, and I've got the goods to prove it.

(Skip if busy. This is a long post, kind of trying to be funny, but laced with all my mistakes in real time situation many of us who don't do video camera work daily may run into. Some I know, some I may not. Might be good fodder for anyone who wants to offer suggestions or advice. I am an eager beaver to learn.)

Two days ago my loving lamb bride (Marie) and I asked for trouble by offering to intersperse video clips of our clients in our next issue of Maui Golf, a local guide. I'm talking on an order of some 40-50 clips of clients talking to the camera directly, interacting with staff, customers, etc. These are big brand name resorts on Maui, so they are very careful about their image. For stills, they trust me, and I trust me, not to blow it too badly, but for video....

For video, I am the king of incompetence.

It's ironic as we wanted to surprise you all by entering the Horrorfest. We have been working on it in stealth mode, but ar now in horror of ourselves instead....

Our first attempt at a clip was on that day. I had this vision of taping my client next to a trophy in his clubhouse, with the video outside the window. It was to look nice and warm and pretty.

Now, the client leaves for Tokyo for a month in a matter of days and is hurried and this is a one shot opportunity. I have 30 minutes of his time, and have to script him, make sure he is looking good, and we have his newly hired head of sales and marketing starting her job this week with him to impress. We get up at 4am after I was up until 1am watching how-to videos on using my D800E to shoot video. (I have used it a lot but am still terrified every time I have a client pacing in front of me.)

We roll in and of course there is barely space in front of the main entrance for our tiny little 8-yo beater sled. There are shuttles bringing people in, cars, etc. I grab and run with as much as I can carry. Three more trips up and down a 100-yard long main hall to the spot where this is to all go down in, oh, 20 mins.

Debbie our new boss/client is waiting. She has just emerged from a staff meeting run by my big boss client and she's edgy. I take one look at this trophy location and think to myself: my Coolights 300 isn't going to cut it.

I sheepishly look at Debbie and meekly suggest we try something else. "Maybe outside?"

I can see the vein in her next throbbing. Through semi-clenched teeth she smiles and says 'it'll be fine'.

Marie has been bombarded outside and comes in having left the car in front, sort of blocking traffic. This dude named Stu who owns the clubhouse restaurant is all curious. I snap at him and essentially tell him to blow and then relize he's chummy with my client and so I start backpedaling to save my skin. too late. My a-- is grass.

So, I try to set up my very weak 190XDB legs and 501HDV combo. On it goes the Juiced Link I just bought here, with the cheap Camerar viewfinder mount between the D800E and it. Onto the tiny pod it all goes and Marie is trying to set-up the Coolights.

Stu is insisting on standing two feet from me and Debbie is staring.

I am wishing I had more medication in me.

I am trying to get some kind of fix on audio and Marie, 12am earlier, was snarling at me as I tried to train her to hold a new K-Tek boom I just got in, since my old one went missing, probably under my bed in NY.

I ask Marie to give me the Senny receiver and to mic herself with the Lav. Then I realize that I don't have the XLR adapter so I can't hook it up to my new Juiced Link. So, I run the line out from receiver to cam. But I can't hear anything, barely. I crank up the levels hiss hiss. I don't understand why today it is so bad?

Do I remember how to adjust headphone volume while looking at the glare from outside and Debbie staring at me, with Stu chatting? Do I recall how simple that is?

Of course not.

So I tell my Lamb to skip the Senny and let's use the NTG3 in blimp with deadcat, handheld as I don't want to have a fight with the Lamb over how to tighten the boom pole.

I am hanging my newly purchased big reflector on a lightstand while trying to light trophy and Marie with the LED panel. She looks blue and I don't have any gels. I'll do it in-camera I tell myself.

The light outside is powerful and so I push the lights about two feet from the subject. I've got a 2.8 24-70 on the D800E and am wide.

Just last night I had practiced with my matte box but it was so cumbersome the rig and all I said. let's wait. Well, now I needed to try out my cheap Chinese plastic grad NDs to block off some of that light pouring in.

I told Debbie I'd just hand-hold it. Marie was looking at me. We knew.

Here comes the big shot! OMG, I am so not ready for this. He's got about 20 minutes let's go!

Now, people like him are so swamped that rehearsing lines is not going to happen. I have even tried setting up an iMac as a teleprompter but they can't read in a relaxed mode. And having them narrate is impossible, as you will see.

So, trying to direct while doing audio and DP and the like is what we do, right? Should be simple, right?

Here's the end-result.


I know many of my mistakes, as I was seeing the issues in real tie, e.g., I could see my hand-holding the 4x4 grad ND sideways up to the 24-70 was a bad idea, with my shivering arm jiggling it I could see the windows behind the talent refecting off the filter. The who framed shot was terrible. In fact, so much was wrong I made a screen grab and wrote an apology letter to my client begging to let me redo but in a way as to not compete with the sun, as I am too small fry and have no real lighting solution (I guess I could Home Depot it?).

Here is my client confession:

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This was part one. Then I had to get a pro at their academy to talk and he was not comfy (and we're chums for 20 years!). Here's yet another horrid clip from two days ago, but at least you can tell his is a human and not an alien from Mars!


Check out the nice band of what we call VOG (volcano smog) over the horizon at his eye level....

Debbie was all over me on this too and he was as nervous as Nellie, let me tell you!

I really don't know how to do much more with this. Maybe someone can advise?

Now, I guess because I am so pathetic I may be lucky in that I can blow it this badly and still have a food bowl to come home to. Why they put up with me I will never know, but for anyone out there like me who tries your best, and still screws up royally, I just want you to know there is always someone better at it (screwing up) than you.... And I work hard at this stuff!

Now go win that Oscar baby!
 
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I was hand-holding a grad ND so I could knock down the outside view enough to get both him and view in the shot. (The window to viewer's right being what I was blocking with dark half of grad ND. I was writing about how stupid I was not NOT have brought my matte box, as I poo pooed it thinking I'd be indoors and wanting max DOF so why would I need that? :-)
 
...I hate to say this, but I think you should have gone green-screen and added in all the additional elements in post.

- You would have had better sound
- You could light your talent much better ( no under-lit lighting which is never flattering to anybody )
- You would not have to deal with the exposure hassle of trying to light your talent to match the outside view
- You would have full control over the outside view
- A spot would do absolutely NOTHING for the metalic trophy, which requires controlled "tent" lighting to make it light up and look like a milliion bucks
- Yes it would mean a lot more work in post, but you would have full control of the final image ( just make sure you have your green screen properly sorted out before you film anybody )
 
You're probably right, but then I am shooting 4:2:0 and have never used a green screen and while I have the background in NYC I don't have it here and there is no way to get a set-up portable easily here. I am not even sure I am able to pull off a proper keying (that is what they call it right?), but I'm game to try anything. I had hoped to spend some of the winter playing with green screens but I hear properly lighting the screen itself is very important as is the subject in front, and avoiding casts and the like.
 
You're probably right, but then I am shooting 4:2:0 and have never used a green screen

4:2:0 works fine for green-screen work, provided you light things properly. You don't even have to use a real green-screen in a pinch, but any type of material that comes close to the same color and has a nice even color without being reflective will work.

All you need is a private room that you can set up your green-screen studio in, with enough room for background lights and lights for you subject. If your Marshall monitor has a waveform display, you can use this to make sure your green-screen background is evenly lit. Just make sure you light the background and your subject separately. ( you may want to hang black flags to mask off your back-lights from your subject, and these can be made out of any type of material that is opaque and not reflective )

The bottom line is to test and confirm that everything is working a hundred percent before filming your talent with the same set.

Sounds like you have your work cut out for you. Good-luck.
 
I will practice the green screen thing back in NYC this winter, but appreciate your input. Marie and I practiced again today, trying to use available light outdoors, with a reflector. We are still looking to get that bead board but at least have some real refectors which seem to help. It is just crazy how much stuff I have accumulated (gear) just to shoot some video clips. This 'rig' doesn't even have portable power yet, and I don't have the Juiced Link attached either. I feel for everybody here. I see all the rigs and gear and so forth. Brutal. I am afraid to show up at a golf course with all of this stuff or I'll be tripping out all my clients. They are not expecting such a set-up. I just don't want to be lazy or cheap out on quality. We always try to go the best we can, even if I make a fool of myself in the process, which is often.

This matte box would have helped but I still think the shot was ill-conceived and that maybe with a lot of serious wattage I could have lit him up like a tree but for what? The room was blah, the trophy is cut out as I have him on top of the 24-70, and forget about the composition, with his head halfway off the frame.....


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So, we practiced today with the whole kitten kaboodle. Does the lamb looks a little blue? I had her warmer but sky was muddy. Not sure how my monitor is making video look. Anyway, is this looking better or the same as the golf guy talking head who is outdoors? Be curious to know if the look is okay to most and if audio not ruined....

 
The color shift from the iPhone to the D800 is not just an in-camera white balance thing. My screen was warm like the iPhoto shot and I tone down the yellow, but now it looks blue on YouTube. Majorly weird.

Another angle where it seems like she is getting plenty of light. I've got a .9 ND in the MB here. Maybe too much, I dunno. I was shooting about about F16 here, trying NOT to lose the BG DOF w/diffusion by stopping down anymore..

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...Out of curiosity, what are the D800 settings that you are shooting with?

I am shooting 1080p30 normal quality @1/60th manual mode. I manually set WB, try to shoot between f/5 and 10, but in uber bright light days like today I was stopped all the way down using a 50mm 1.4G.... which is a no no in most circles, altho I was an f/64 8x10 guy for ages..

One thing that is really weird is how the live view was looking fairly good when I shot the client indoors. When I opened the file belo in PPro here what I saw was a guy in the dark, practically. I dropped the Shadow/Highlights effect onto the clip and left the defaults knowing it was useless....

I just picked up a used Marshall monitor so maybe that will help show a more realistic rendition of what I'm capturing. The real point of this thread, aside from realizing what a troll (=(is that the right term) I'm acting like here, is that those of us who do not shoot video daily, for a living, are likely to really feel the heat when you don't control your clients well, as I did not. It's a lesson at 51 you'd think I'd have learned. That goes for cast on a 'set' where I have had my friends on camera doing things and I was all over the place. I guess I mean it is very easy to get overwhelmed and caught up in the moment, where common sense can get lost fast.... as opposed to shooting clips of your cat on your lanai ;-)

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I don't have exif data so my settings notes above are based on memory and my usual MO, which is almost always wrong ;-)
 
I guess I mean it is very easy to get overwhelmed and caught up in the moment, where common sense can get lost fast.

...Everybody goes through this a few times, where you feel like your head is on fire, while everyone in the room expects you to fix every problem that pops up, and you have that queasy feeling in your stomach because your video gear has decided it doesn't want to play nice. This is where it's nice to have a crew, where you have people you can trust to handle specific production things while you take care of the client. ( and I always curse myself for not setting up an hour earlier to have time to test everything before the circus finally comes to town )
 
I thought this thread might be familiar territory for some. Dennis posted a clip on lighting basics today. I watched it and was reminded of the times I watched Barry's DVD. It's very common sense, but when you are looking at your living room AND yuor dining room filling with gear, computers and the like, and I also have a NYC studio with steel shelves full of bins full of more stuff, and two closets, and under a platform bed, and an office at a golf course I never use.... Let me just load up on some Home Depo lighting eh?

We do this silly golf show that was just SD community cable. Even that was a challenge, and I hired a pro videographer to get me started. I also took classes here and in NYC at our community station, and Manhattan Neighborhood Network (or somthing like that). Having been around cameras for very long, it isn't intimidating to shoot, until like you said eyes are on you, you realize you are not in a good place in terms of what you've gotten yourself into, you see the road ahead is garbage in, garbage out, and you are living the metaphor. You just know you are blowing it and there is no way to really get out of the mess you've put yourself into.

I came to this site thinking that I'd use my golf as a means of learning the technical ropes of video/movie work, and was so absurdly self-confident in my writing abilities that I thought, "Ahhh, script? No problem."

Then I tried to write one, two, three.... That cocky attitude was how I thought motion was going to be so easy. Hell, I can shoot anything I thought. Ha ha ha.

The there's audio. Sometimes I think my IQ is so small it can be measured in audible decibels.... Good grief why is audio so complicated? What ever happened to like three dials: bass, treble, and balance? And volume?

Wow to have a crew. As I age and my printed golf guide becomes less and less relevant, and I keep trying to move into a medium that can keep me going until I retire at 90, I dreamt that I'd just get a basic short film out solo, it'd be so great Robert Redford would be waiting for me at Sundance, to give me a check and star in the sequel.

Then I could afford a crew. I'd be important and my ideas would be things people would want to hear more about and listen to.

I wouldn't be the PR donkey who works for $.50 an hour I am. I'd be somebody....

But, alas I am at the bottom rung here, probably not alone too. But there is the comaraderie and the helpful souls like you and the many others here that lurk in the forums and remind those of us who dream that we aren't totally alone and it's okay to fail trying. That at least we try.

I spend way too much time in the For sale section here. I think of all the stuff being sold by people giving up their dream because it is so hard. Because they were unable to hold on. I feel for them. I do.

So, while this is admittedly a self-serving thread, because I need the help, I assure you if I know something, and I can help, I'll be there. Right now, I know what it feels like to blow it, a lot, and to feel like I can't get from A-to-B no matter how many years I have tried. I bet some may wonder if they are alone. If I humiliate myself here by putting down images and clips that show me at my worst, and it makes someone feel better, as it does me, then maybe that's all I can do to help.

I appreciate your being there, TheDingo. I really do....
 
So what can we do to fix it?

I do know that most of that ND reflection can be made to disappear using Photoshop. I happened to be talking to a Photoshop teacher last night about an unrelated, but similar issue. He said that Photoshop can study a video frame by frame to see where things change and fill in from frames that did not change. So you can get rid of a lot of those reflections and other ugly stuff. Set a mask around the talent to exclude him and then you can get rid of all the other reflections. Don't ask me how its done, but I'm sure you can search for that solution.

Better yet, you can isolate the talent from the background using Rotobrush in After Effects. Then reshoot the trophy and the room and merge the two together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgfDUnA1Ys
 
I having a little trouble understanding what on earth the ND filter was expected 'to do'???

The lighting on the first 'Premiere' screen capture, looks like it was coming from behind the camera, and looks 'fake'. But then in the second screen shot, the subject is pretty dark, and the background out the window looks 'ok'.

So, if the idea was to lessen the contrast from indoors to outdoors, there are 2 basic ways to do that 'in camera'... put 'big' lights on the subject... or put some sort of ND on the windows.

Putting an ND between the lens and the subject + background windows... what was that expected to do?

All that did was lower the overall exposure, perhaps to the point where the background exposure was 'ok', but also reduced the subject in a 'linear' fashion, so he is pretty dark.

Post 'futzing' (roto or whatever...) looks obvious.
 
So what can we do to fix it?

I do know that most of that ND reflection can be made to disappear using Photoshop. I happened to be talking to a Photoshop teacher last night about an unrelated, but similar issue. He said that Photoshop can study a video frame by frame to see where things change and fill in from frames that did not change. So you can get rid of a lot of those reflections and other ugly stuff. Set a mask around the talent to exclude him and then you can get rid of all the other reflections. Don't ask me how its done, but I'm sure you can search for that solution.

Better yet, you can isolate the talent from the background using Rotobrush in After Effects. Then reshoot the trophy and the room and merge the two together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgfDUnA1Ys

Thanks for these ideas, Paul. I think the shot was junk and will have to be redone. Only problem is I may not have another chance. If I don't, the shoot will still be trashed. It's just crap. I have a ways to go with your great post suggestions. I am waiting for the new Mac Pro in Nov and will teach myself some of your tricks. Thanks a lot.
 
I having a little trouble understanding what on earth the ND filter was expected 'to do'???

It was a grad ND rotated 45-degrees and held by me to knock down the brightness of the golf course outside. It worked, and did not impact exposure as I set that manually to brighten my subject as much as I could.

The lighting on the first 'Premiere' screen capture, looks like it was coming from behind the camera, and looks 'fake'.

The lighting from both screen captures was the same: fake.[/QUOTE] I used a Coolights LED600 (or 300 I don't remember it is 1'x1' panel). It is all I have right now. I know I needed big lights but no have.

But then in the second screen shot, the subject is pretty dark, and the background out the window looks 'ok'.
Same light, but second screen grab was after I applied highlight/shadows effects in Premiere

So, if the idea was to lessen the contrast from indoors to outdoors, there are 2 basic ways to do that 'in camera'... put 'big' lights on the subject... or put some sort of ND on the windows.
You are right. NDs on windows not happening. Big lights no have, but what was needed. I was just not in control enough to have cancelled this before shooting.

Putting an ND between the lens and the subject + background windows... what was that expected to do?
I was overwhelmed and not intending to use an ND at all. It was only after I saw the set-up that I realized I needed some kind of way to knock down the outside. Was best I could do didn't even have a polarizer. It was certainly not my intent to shoot this way.

All that did was lower the overall exposure, perhaps to the point where the background exposure was 'ok', but also reduced the subject in a 'linear' fashion, so he is pretty dark.
You're right. But it was all I had, and allowed me to bump up the ISO enough to even see the guy, and see the golf course, but was still too weak (ND + light) to balance both, fer sure. What I really should have done was blow out the background completely shooting wide open at f/1.4.....

Post 'futzing' (roto or whatever...) looks obvious.
I know.
 
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