nikon finally gets canon quality 1080p hd (24p, 30i, 60i) hd video. lol!

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funny/cool thread on all this! haha :) also fodder for the nikon-canon religious wars:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=638411
nikon finally gets canon quality 1080p hd (24p, 30i, 60i) hd video. you can diy (do it yourself) @: http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9shooter-shooting-stills-video-simultaneously-audio-too

have fun! let me know if anyone else has tried this. it lets one capture video throughout the entire shoot, and the new dynamic image stabilization on the canon hfs200 is awesome, so it smooths it all out.




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http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=638411 lol !
 
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Is it idiotic because of the canon or the nikon?
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Ok. Let me try to make this very simple. If people know anything about professional photography or video is that both cameras are handle in totally different ways when you are working with them in a setting that requires a lot of movement. It is absolutely idiotic to have a still camera and a video camera as Siamese twins like that unless you need that for a very specific purpose like I don't know, shooting ants for a National Geographic something? Are you really going to shoot all the pix of a swimsuit model horizontally? What happens to the video image when you start shooting vertically? Oh boy.....
 
Well explained John. If it really was this easy then half of all photographers and filmmakers would be out of business. It is possible to operate two or more cams but only if you give each cam it's own mount. For example I often shoot with two GH1s, one on tripod and one hand-held and let the tripod one run independently so I have some extra B-roll footage for editing if needed.

For Roxy; my "pathetic" comment was a bit rude maybe but that's my first sentiment when I see people go into a "brands" debate, whether it's about cameras or cars or whatever. I work with both Nikons and Canons and each time I made a good photo, it's because I did a proper job and not because I am shooting with some superior brand of camera. There is constant competition going on between the big brands and the newest Canon will always be a bit better than the Nikon that was released 6 months ago, and the other way around. I find the discussion at modelmayhem pathetic as well but from that site I would expect something like that (I'm a glamour tog as well and am very familiar with the forum attitude @ modelmayhem and other model sites) but wouldn't expect something like that in this forum, I thought the attitude is a bit more professional here. Anyway... as soon as togs start going on about which brand is better, I won't take them seriously anymore.

I prefer to shoot stills with Nikons by the way but that's because I like the ergonomics, which is just a matter of taste.
 
thats completely garbage, both for photography and video. it ruins 90% of the photo compositions, and its not as if the perspective or framing will match correctly, let alone dynamic range, exposure, and angles.

why would you even bother doing that, anyways?
 
John Caballero said:
Ok. Let me try to make this very simple. If people know anything about professional photography or video is that both cameras are handle in totally different ways when you are working with them in a setting that requires a lot of movement. It is absolutely idiotic to have a still camera and a video camera as Siamese twins like that unless you need that for a very specific purpose like I don't know, shooting ants for a National Geographic something? Are you really going to shoot all the pix of a swimsuit model horizontally? What happens to the video image when you start shooting vertically? Oh boy.....
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this picture was shot in landscape and then i cropped it to portrait. the video camera (Canon hfs 200) was attached undreneath the stills camera (canon 5d mark ii), shooting video the whole time i was shooting stills with the 5d mark ii.

that alone killed it[/quote]
this picture was shot in landscape and then i cropped it to portrait. the video camera (Canon hfs 200) was attached undreneath the stills camera (canon 5d mark ii), shooting video the whole time i was shooting stills with the 5d mark ii.



this is what the rig looked like:



so you can see that it is easy to get portrait shots by cropping landscape shots. and too, you also get the landscape shot for posterity!
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so you can see that it is easy to get portrait shots by cropping landscape shots. and too, you also get the landscape shot for posterity!
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Zissou said:
thats completely garbage, both for photography and video. it ruins 90% of the photo compositions, and its not as if the perspective or framing will match correctly, let alone dynamic range, exposure, and angles.

why would you even bother doing that, anyways?
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how do you get your 90% figure? did you conduct scientific experiments?

actually if you conduct experiments in the field, you will see that the possibilities are endless, limited only by the imagination:

http://www.diyphotography.net/a-diy-9shooter-shooting-stills-video-simultaneously-audio-too

As the canon HFS 200 (which I use, and other newer canons) has the new amazing dynamic image stabilization, the 9shooter bracket system makes even more sense, as any shake has been replaced by smooth transitions! I have shot about ten shoots with the HFS 200, and have yet to edit and upload the video, but it rocks!
While the video produced with this system may be inferior to a video taken by a dedicated videographer, it is often better than having no video recording at all.
Here are some ideas of possible uses for the 45surf 9shooter system:
1) Shooting swimsuit models! (or any models for that matter) the model's time is valuable and hard drives and SD cards are cheap! let the video track your every shot throughout a 2 hour shoot, and you will have lots of cool video! more than enough for a two minute or ten minute video!
2) Shooting weddings -- Imagine shooting a two hour wedding, and then being able to offer your clients a ten minute wedding video set to Beethoven, tracking the entire wedding from all the best angles. Yes I know many people say that for weddings you want to shoot a lot of portrait shots, so go ahead and rotate the camera! Sure the video will be sideways, but you can discard a lot footage out of a two hour shoot and still have an awesome ten minute video which would add a lot of value, or hey--use some sideways video to make people laugh. Or crop portrait shots in post from the landscapes -- if you shoot with the 5d they will still be huge. And I am working on a portrait-orientation mount.
3) Shooting sports/ action/ track meets/surfers! I also use the 9 shooter with a monopod with the 9 shooter oriented in the S configuration to shoot surfers. using a canon 7d with a zoom and an HFS200 zoomed in full on the distant surfer, one can shoot continuous stills of the surfer, and the HFS200 naturally tracks them! in fact, in this case, the canon 7d acts as a natural spotting scope for the canon HFS100 / HFS 200 which don't have optical viewfinders. so it's actually easier to shoot video! just think of your canon 7d & zoom as a $2,000 spotting scope. for your $1,000 HFS 200. :) Will upload the footage soon!
4) Photojournalism: If you are covering an event, why not leave the video running the whole time you are shooting stills?
5) Documentaries: These days the DSLRs shoot video too, so one could go into an interview armed with the power to shoot both stills and two sources of video simultaneously, benefiting from the better audio controls of the canon HFS 10/HFS 200. And too, the HN40 audio system and other mics could be mounted on the nine shooter.
6) Travel: If you're traveling around Paris for a few hours, why not concentrate on getting both awesome video and photography? Now and then you can stop photographing and focus on the videoing only, and vice versa, as the occasion warrants.
7) Real Estate Photography: Imagine if you became the photographer in your community known for shooting both video and photography of all the homes! Real Estate Agents would love you! And with just a bit more time, you could increase revenues.
8) Paparazzi: Imagine how much better TMZ/Perez Hilton/E! would be if all their photographers/videographers had nine shooters! (I actually never go by these sites, but know some people who do, out here in LA)
9) Audio! A camera shutter makes a lot of noise, so why not mount a remote mic close to the action--perhaps on the bride or groom at a wedding or on the speaker at a lecture--with the radio receiver mounted on your 9shooter and plugged into your camera or audio recorder.
10) Everything! So often in the visual arts the moment happens once and is gone forever. Now you have a better way of immortalizing it in both stills and videos. Mount lights, monitors, mics, flashes, receivers, recorders, and more! The 9shooter keeps your flash bracket free, and/or too, it could be mounted atop your camera.
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that landscape shot looks great and the portrait shot pretty much sucks, so i guess john's point has been proven. ;-)
 
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That you need independent flexibility of movement on each camera. That making them siamese twins that way isn't very practical for either camera.
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but what "sucks" about the portrait shot? or is he just saying it to say it? that doesn't really seem very nice, nor add to the conversation. but really, how does he qualify his judgment? what aesthetically "sucks" about the picture ion his mind?

many times a great angle for a stills camera is also a great angle for a video camera. or are you saying that this is never the case?

one word my friend -- convergence.

after a three hour shoot with this setup, you'll have more than enough footage for an hq 5-10 minute video for your client. more and more clients are loving video these days alongside stills, as youtube, revver, blip.tv, facebook, myspace, vimeo, and more will all build one's brand with video.

clients are demanding video alongside stills!

one word my friend -- convergence.

from http://9shooter.blogspot.com:

"National Geographic now looks to only hire still photographers who are also video-trained!"


Well, you can't ignore National Geographic photographers and editors with over 25-years of career experience!

From the luminous landscape website:

Chris Sandberg
I attended a lecture/slide show/presentation by photographer Sam Abell last week, as part of the National Geographic Live! season in Minneapolis. Mr. Abell has had a 25-year career shooting for National Geographic, and he was asked what an aspiring young photographer who wanted to follow in his footsteps should do, He responded that the National Geographic now looks to only hire still photographers who are also video-trained! His advice was that young photographers should be sure they are versed in both disciplines.
So, we may be seeing not only the tip of the iceberg on the technology side, but truly a convergence on the artistic side, as well.​
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many times a great angle for a stills camera is also a great angle for a video camera. or are you saying that this is never the case?
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That is why I said earlier that it may be useful for certain situations, but basically there is a lot of movement with a still camera shooting that will not go well with the video camera and vice versa. In 90% of situations it wouldn't be practical. But again, if it works for you then its fine for you.
 
The man (or woman) is out there making money shooting clients and I would guess they are happy as I don't think too many photogs do things to intentionally appear "dumb" while practicing their craft. Especially in front of the people they rely on to be able to put food on the table at night.

Grow up and don't hate.
 
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Thanks! But I don't understand the 90% figure. I have shot both a lot of video and a lot of stills, and one night at a movie I was going, "man I wish I could shoot both at the same time--I could get a lot of cool video that way." and then it hit me that i could shoot both at the same time.

And I found a better way to shoot video & stills of surfers too:



and i use it like this too:

try it! it's fun! :)
 
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John Caballero said:
That is why I said earlier that it may be useful for certain situations, but basically there is a lot of movement with a still camera shooting that will not go well with the video camera and vice versa. In 90% of situations it wouldn't be practical. But again, if it works for you then its fine for you.
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once upon a time people argued that sailing and surfing were very different activities, requiring very different gear and movement.

then, one day, someone put a sail on a surfboard, and a brand new sport was born--windsurfing.

then people argued that flying kites and surfing very different activities, requiring very different gear and movement.

then, one day, someone flew a kite while standing on a surfboard, and a brand new sport was born kite-surfing.

so 9shooting is a brand new sport combining the best of photography and stills shooting!

yes, it takes a bit of learning but rising generations will embrace it. :)

the greater point is the same as windsurfing & kite-sailing--have fun catching *both* the wind and waves!!
 
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