New Sony Primes

GaryinCalifornia

GaryinCalifornia

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I was trying to remember weren't the old set of 3 primes around $6,000... so could the new set of six be around $12,000 + plus a few dollars... of course have to see if they're worth it...
 
That's highly unlikely. That would be $2000 a pop. And they're apparently made by Cooke. You'll be lucky if a set of six is $18k. I'd bet more on $25k or $30k for a set of six.

The old set of three was very plastic in the construction. These are metal.
 
Viddovation said:
That's highly unlikely. That would be $2000 a pop. And they're apparently made by Cooke. You'll be lucky if a set of six is $18k. I'd bet more on $25k or $30k for a set of six.

The old set of three was very plastic in the construction. These are metal.
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Whoa now. That is a sexy rumor, but I am not sure it's true. Cooke can barely keep up with the demand of their own lenses and those are premium. I don't think they have time to knock out a mass production of a completely different lens set, especially when people are waiting 6months+ to spend between 8k and 20k per lens.

But if you have any interesting proof of this, please post... :)
 
I was figuring higher... my only thought if they're made by Cooke.. would they stand up to the Panchros which I believe are all 2.8...
 
Regarding these lenses, the first ones were very cheap in both the price and the quality. It looks like Sony has really listened and done much to make these lenses an actual product, so I imagine you'll see them being much more expensive than the previous ones.

The previous ones had marks only on one side, a short focus rotation, no witness marks, were made of plastic, were unserviceable, and etc, etc.

These have a long focus rotation, witness marks, appear to be metal bodied, have more than three focal lengths (thank god!), and etc. I'd expect to see them charge more for the set considering it appears to be worlds better on paper.
 
Ryan, I've been reading a lot of threads this morning and heard that somewhere. But I have no particular confirmation. The metal construction though, I know that. They're certainly a different grade of product than the old sony set.
 
Cooke has dabbled in low-price manufacturing before with the Red short zooms. But Cooke manufacturing is just a rumor anyway.

In addition, I would not be surprised if Sony realized they needed a loss-leader in lenses to jump start other parts of their business.

The 20-35K prime market is crowded (Red primes, Cooke Panchros) , and I have my doubts that Sony would think another entry there is smart. My guess is $10-$15K.
 
Cooke is only a rumor since Sony will not comment either on or off record. But these are far better lenses than the first batch. Sony vows to be competitve in pricing.

Ned
 
I know where the Cooke rumor started. One guy on Reduser. That's not enough for me.

Who would buy Sony primes at the same price as a set of Cooke Panchros? Or Illuminas? I think Sony is smarter than that, especially based on recent news. Sony primes at $25-30K would be a VERY hard sell.
 
Cooke Panchro's (T2.8) - Six Pc. Set - $46,000 (Approx $7,666 apiece)
LOMO Illumina S35 (T1.3) - Five Pc. Set - $35,000 (Approx $7,000 apiece)
Zeiss CP.2 (Aperture Varies) - Five Piece Set - $18,000 (Aprox $3,600 apiece)
Schneider Cine Xenar III (T1.9 to T2.2) - Six Piece Set - $48,500 (Approx $8,000 apiece)
Red Pro Primes - (T1.8) - Five Piece Set - $22,000 (guessing - availability limited) - (Approx $4,500 apiece)
Arri Ultra Primes - (T1.9) - Five Piece Set - $70,000 (wait list, $75,000 through unofficial channels) (Approx $13,000 apiece)

I'd say that for lenses available in quanitity, $25,000 is very reasonable, if they hold up. The CP.2 don't offer consistent apertures. The Red Pro Primes are heavy, and stock is limited. Cooke and Cine Xenar are in the $7,000 to $8,000 a lens range. Illumina's have a good look, but don't have a long track record.
 
Nate Weaver said:
Cooke has dabbled in low-price manufacturing before with the Red short zooms. But Cooke manufacturing is just a rumor anyway.

In addition, I would not be surprised if Sony realized they needed a loss-leader in lenses to jump start other parts of their business.

The 20-35K prime market is crowded (Red primes, Cooke Panchros) , and I have my doubts that Sony would think another entry there is smart. My guess is $10-$15K.
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Well that would be the smart thing to do. Team up with a company that has made absolutely wonderful lenses for over 100+ years versus starting from scratch. We see this happen often with Arri teaming up with Zeiss and Fujinon. Maybe that is why I have not gotten my 135mm Cooke Panchro/i after over 18 months of ordering... :/

What is this dabbling you mention? I don't think Cooke has ever dabbled in low-price manufacturing... they are a very small niche and high end outfit. Their factory is not big enough for mass production of anything. Ya know? They had a "Red Set" of S4's which was just a discounted lens package of the S4 CXX Zoom and three S4 primes. But let's not kid ourselves, those four lenses cost over $60,000, if I remember correctly.

If, and I say IF, because I'm doubting it, but if Cooke had anything to do with the lenses, they appear to not be Cookes recipe or design... I say this because the front diameter, length, focus rotation, iris assembly design, and other important qualities do not match S4's, which are also T/2 lenses. The Sony PL lenses are actually larger in diameter and have less rotation. Not bad though, I mean RedProPrimes got a decent fanfare despite being much larger and bulkier... but again that was because they were relatively inexpensive and decent in quality.




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Wasn't the old set just rebranded Zeiss CP2s? Sony has pretty good ties with Zeiss.
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The old Sony PL set? No, they weren't.

Although I'd actually love to see Sony team up with Cooke, Zeiss would be a better guess, but almost just as improbable. However, they do have the facilities to do more of a mass production of lower cost lenses like they did with CP.2's and all their nice photography lenses. Cooke is not nearly as big or capable in terms of mass production. High paying customers can barely get their Panchro/i, S4 and 5/i orders within the same year of ordering!

Who knows. This looks more like what Red did with RPP's than a teamup with one of the cinelens giants.
 
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Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
Whoa now. That is a sexy rumor, but I am not sure it's true. Cooke can barely keep up with the demand of their own lenses and those are premium. I don't think they have time to knock out a mass production of a completely different lens set, especially when people are waiting 6months+ to spend between 8k and 20k per lens.

But if you have any interesting proof of this, please post... :)
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Nothing a big cash infusion couldn't fix.
 
If it is rumor it probably got fuel from the Cooke lens that was on the first pictures released of the F5.

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I heard something about Zeiss last week... but thinking about it would they under cut their CP2's... also thinking the new Canon primes are 5k each... so if you're going to under cut the C500 lets say... what not under cut Canon on lens also...
 
Cooke has nothing to do with the Sony primes, old set or new. Neither does Zeiss. Cooke did not have anything to do with the old RED zooms either.

Why do people think Sony cannot do this themselves? They bought Minolta and they make a lot of other glass. Yes they needed to learn about cine lenses but there are smart people there, believe me. These are Sony lenses.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Cooke has nothing to do with the Sony primes, old set or new. Neither does Zeiss. Cooke did not have anything to do with the old RED zooms either.

Why do people think Sony cannot do this themselves? They bought Minolta and they make a lot of other glass. Yes they needed to learn about cine lenses but there are smart people there, believe me. These are Sony lenses.
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Hahahaha, you should go put out the fire over at RedUser. Those guys are running with it hard. I find it a little funny and a little frustrating. All they normally talk about is Rokinon and Canon L series lenses, and then pile on a rumor in hopes you can get Cooke S4's for CP.2 prices. Cooke out of the equation, I think these sony lenses will be a good value if the optics are like the older ones but the mechanics are improved which they seem to be. A good alternative to CP.2's, despite CP'2's still having many many advantages over this set.
 
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