Mike_Donis
Veteran
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
When viewing full motion video, yes. When looking at a still obtained from the footage, not neccesarily...
When viewing full motion video, yes. When looking at a still obtained from the footage, not neccesarily...
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
1440 x 1080 = 1.5 million pixels (which get up-rezzed to 2m pixels on display).
1280 x 720 = 1 million pixels.
The argument among the progressive crowd is that 1280x720x60P has just as many pixels per second as 1920x1080x60i. Not as many pixels per frame, but as many pixels per second since the 60P is updated twice as often.
1440 x 1080 = 1.5 million pixels (which get up-rezzed to 2m pixels on display).
1280 x 720 = 1 million pixels.
The argument among the progressive crowd is that 1280x720x60P has just as many pixels per second as 1920x1080x60i. Not as many pixels per frame, but as many pixels per second since the 60P is updated twice as often.
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
correct.. YOU can get a HD DVD but there is no standard.. and it is NOT a normal thing.. its a special order type dealy. that we wont get into here.. they are working on the HD standard for DVD currently.. WM9 and other CODECS are competing to take the hot seat as the standard for compressing the HD content.
correct.. YOU can get a HD DVD but there is no standard.. and it is NOT a normal thing.. its a special order type dealy. that we wont get into here.. they are working on the HD standard for DVD currently.. WM9 and other CODECS are competing to take the hot seat as the standard for compressing the HD content.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
There is no possible way for anyone to know the answer yet. Gotta get ahold of one and try it.
There is no possible way for anyone to know the answer yet. Gotta get ahold of one and try it.
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
What's odd is that 1080i would be better for 24p than would 720p. You only lose 6 frames per second of data with 24pA pulldown, while with 60fps pulldown you lose 36 frames per second. If the pro model has 24pA and true progressive scan (versus 24"p" frame mode) I will be most impressed.
What's odd is that 1080i would be better for 24p than would 720p. You only lose 6 frames per second of data with 24pA pulldown, while with 60fps pulldown you lose 36 frames per second. If the pro model has 24pA and true progressive scan (versus 24"p" frame mode) I will be most impressed.
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
There is not much to add to all the comments. Obviously HD is the way to go but how many people in USA own HDTV?
Maybe 3-4 %. And since TV is being replaced in average household once in 7 years we still have couple years to wait and see whats will be new technology by then and at what rate Average Joe is going to upgrade his home TV.
So far my DVX gives me best of both worlds. Creation of TV and DVD content and easy transfer to film if needed.
There is not much to add to all the comments. Obviously HD is the way to go but how many people in USA own HDTV?
Maybe 3-4 %. And since TV is being replaced in average household once in 7 years we still have couple years to wait and see whats will be new technology by then and at what rate Average Joe is going to upgrade his home TV.
So far my DVX gives me best of both worlds. Creation of TV and DVD content and easy transfer to film if needed.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
Exactly. People have been predicting an imminent transition to HDTV since... well, when was it first introduced? The mid-1970's? I know the US has been exploring the issue since at least 1987, that's nearly 20 years ago...
Thing is, the only people clamoring for HD are the manufacturers. The average consumer really doesn't seem to give a hoot. Neither does the continent of Europe.
Now, 16x9, that seems to be picking up some steam, and it'd be interesting to see the latest statistics on widescreen market penetration in the US. In Europe I've heard it's around 50%, the last time I heard US statistics it was about 2%, but that's been a couple of years.
So widescreen (whether HD or not) seems like it will be a viable outlet. But until HD supplants SD (which could be another 20 years, if EVER), the DVX should keep going strong for a good while.
Exactly. People have been predicting an imminent transition to HDTV since... well, when was it first introduced? The mid-1970's? I know the US has been exploring the issue since at least 1987, that's nearly 20 years ago...
Thing is, the only people clamoring for HD are the manufacturers. The average consumer really doesn't seem to give a hoot. Neither does the continent of Europe.
Now, 16x9, that seems to be picking up some steam, and it'd be interesting to see the latest statistics on widescreen market penetration in the US. In Europe I've heard it's around 50%, the last time I heard US statistics it was about 2%, but that's been a couple of years.
So widescreen (whether HD or not) seems like it will be a viable outlet. But until HD supplants SD (which could be another 20 years, if EVER), the DVX should keep going strong for a good while.
Antoine_Fabi
Well-known member
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
i remember, it was in 1990, in Paris, i was watching the "new hi rez" Thompson TV in a store and the guy told me that HD was coming maybe next year...
...well...14 years later...SD...
i dont remember who said that, but it might explain why the consumer dont "ask" for HD, because "...when it is good enough,,,then, it's good enough..."
...but on the other hand, maybe "our" HD production downconverted to SD will still look better than a normal SD prod...who knows...
so we have a very comfortable seat right now because we can take our time and "see" what's best.
i remember, it was in 1990, in Paris, i was watching the "new hi rez" Thompson TV in a store and the guy told me that HD was coming maybe next year...
...well...14 years later...SD...
i dont remember who said that, but it might explain why the consumer dont "ask" for HD, because "...when it is good enough,,,then, it's good enough..."
...but on the other hand, maybe "our" HD production downconverted to SD will still look better than a normal SD prod...who knows...
so we have a very comfortable seat right now because we can take our time and "see" what's best.
Antoine_Fabi
Well-known member
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
...but IF HD downconverted to SD still looks better than original SD, then watch out ! I'm going for the best possible picture quality in a small equipment ;D
...but i think that a SD camera with good dynamic range looks way better than a HD camera with a poor dynamic range though....
...but i'll never go back to big shoulder cams... unless i'm forced to.
Barry,
I think that people still buy 4:3 TVs because most programs are still framed 4:3 and most people hate to watch 4:3 on a 16:9 TV (top and bottom cropped / or left right gray bars.
They prefer to watch 16:9 on a 4:3 TV with top/bottom black bars.
things wont change untill the programs will be broadcast in true 16:9...
...am i right ? does it make sense ?
...but IF HD downconverted to SD still looks better than original SD, then watch out ! I'm going for the best possible picture quality in a small equipment ;D
...but i think that a SD camera with good dynamic range looks way better than a HD camera with a poor dynamic range though....
...but i'll never go back to big shoulder cams... unless i'm forced to.
Barry,
I think that people still buy 4:3 TVs because most programs are still framed 4:3 and most people hate to watch 4:3 on a 16:9 TV (top and bottom cropped / or left right gray bars.
They prefer to watch 16:9 on a 4:3 TV with top/bottom black bars.
things wont change untill the programs will be broadcast in true 16:9...
...am i right ? does it make sense ?
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
A few years ago, people here in the USA *hated* letterbox... they felt they were "missing" part of the picture. Blockbuster stores carried far more "fullscreen" DVD's than they did "widescreen", because that's what the customer wanted.
I think that's turned around now. People seem to understand that with the fullscreen version, THAT'S the version that has the picture cut off! So there's been more and more acceptance of widescreen. In addition, bigger-buck TV shows have started broadcasting in widescreen/letterbox, like "The West Wing"... so the battle for widescreen has started to turn, and it looks like the widescreen TV may indeed carry the day, although it will be years down the road. The average household in America has something like 5 TV's, and I don't think anyone's in a big rush to replace all of them... but widescreen *is* being more accepted.
A few years ago, people here in the USA *hated* letterbox... they felt they were "missing" part of the picture. Blockbuster stores carried far more "fullscreen" DVD's than they did "widescreen", because that's what the customer wanted.
I think that's turned around now. People seem to understand that with the fullscreen version, THAT'S the version that has the picture cut off! So there's been more and more acceptance of widescreen. In addition, bigger-buck TV shows have started broadcasting in widescreen/letterbox, like "The West Wing"... so the battle for widescreen has started to turn, and it looks like the widescreen TV may indeed carry the day, although it will be years down the road. The average household in America has something like 5 TV's, and I don't think anyone's in a big rush to replace all of them... but widescreen *is* being more accepted.
Antoine_Fabi
Well-known member
Re: New Sony HDV Cam
he he...
right !
"full screen" is misleading...
...full screen of the original framing, or full screen of your TV...people get confused with this bad technical word...
he he...
right !
"full screen" is misleading...
...full screen of the original framing, or full screen of your TV...people get confused with this bad technical word...