New Sony FS E-mount 4K camcorder to be announced at IBC

Dafilman21 said:
I feel like they took a page from Canon on the pricing for this cam.
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Ya, this looks like it's $1,000 too high. FS5 is largely built as a C100 MKII competitor, which means that the gloves are off in the sub-$10,000 4K market. More models to come. Maybe even a C100 MKIII/C200 with internal 4K.

Edit - B&H has it for $5,600 ... so, maybe, it's only $600 too high.
 
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Alot of people talk about ergonomics but forget that UI is part of that. I'm currently getting rid of my FS7 for just that reason. The menus are incredibly laggy, poorly laid out, and confusing. Just getting an SDI out feed to a monitor with or without LUTs ended up being a 40 minute hole during my last shoot. It makes the camera unpleasant to work with. I hope the FS5 has a more robust or powerful system for response latency in the menu. This was a dealbreaker for me with my FS7. For now I'm just going to rent for each project until I find something that has the right mix of UI, ergonomics and image quality.
 
For me the best thing about today's announcement was the size and form factor of the FS5.
I think it points to the future direction, and it won't be long until we see a FF sensor With IBIS and 10bit 4:2:2 Internal recording in this body.
Maybe in the FS5II after the FS7 and F5/55 have been upgraded.
This will probably be at least another year so I do feel it was a missed opportunity not putting the A7SII sensor in this body.

But the reality is we have what we have, and although it isn't as groundbreaking as last years FS7 announcement, IMO it's a move in the right direction.
No more to be said really ! I just hope the A7SII will not suffer from overheating !
Anyway onwards and upwards, over and out !
 
FrameFarmMedia said:
Taking 40min to get SDI out to a monitor is operator error. Its not that hard if you know your gear.
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Sorry filmfan222, but I have to agree. That Sony menus as not as bad as some people state and I came to a point when now I can very quickly change settings, some of them even without looking at the screen. (and I haven't spent LOADS of hours using it as you might thought). Besides that you have "all files" where you can set all settings into one option and then just quickly swap them.
 
Ya you're right. 10 minutes of that was us, and the next 30 was the Sony rep on the phone trying to figure it out as well. Guess it's just me.
 
filmfan222 said:
Ya you're right. 10 minutes of that was us, and the next 30 was the Sony rep on the phone trying to figure it out as well. Guess it's just me.
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But I can understand that! It was intimidating for me at the beginning as well. I would advise you to read articles on xdcam how to operate this, purchase Doug Jensen's fs7 guide and wait till October 3.0 update. Once you'll grab the idea and understand it I bet you'll fall in love with fs7! (and won't be selling it :) )
 
tillhavis said:
For me the best thing about today's announcement was the size and form factor of the FS5.
I think it points to the future direction, and it won't be long until we see a FF sensor.......
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Agreed. I was pretty sure SOMETHING in this price range was coming at IBC, but my expectation was something along the lines of the A7R ii or new RX10 front end in a video friendly back with better codec. I still think both of those are highly likely - replacements for the Z100 - but obviously not at IBC.....
 
It also includes built in Electronic ND filter with a very wide range. Lowlight not quite AS7, but very good none the less. Uses SDXC cards to keep costs down. I'll wait for some quality reviews not sponsored by Sony.
 
harddrive said:
Agreed. I was pretty sure SOMETHING in this price range was coming at IBC, but my expectation was something along the lines of the A7R ii or new RX10 front end in a video friendly back with better codec. I still think both of those are highly likely - replacements for the Z100 - but obviously not at IBC.....
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If Sony had something like that under their sleeve would it not make sense to release info at IBC, to take away some of the thunder for the dvx200? Which is effectively the Z100's direct competitor.
 
Mike Harvey said:
B&H has it listed at $5,600 without lens, $6,100 with the 18-105mm f/4
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My guess was off by $600. That does seem a little steep
when compared to the FS7. Well, I'm not jumping onboard
myself just now, but still going to keep my eye on it, as it is
interesting. I like how light it is, probably could use it on some
of the small gimbals. Also interested in how the variable ND
performs as many people say variable NDs kill skin tones.
 
In this Sony video of the FS5, one of the scenes shows a shot of the monitor. The codec says: XAVC 2160/30P 100, which I assume means 100mbps.
But I don't see a 2160 record option in any of the literature. Wouldn't that be 2K?

Here's the video. Look at the 2:00 minute mark.

 
vanvideo said:
But I don't see a 2160 record option in any of the literature. Wouldn't that be 2K?
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2160P means 3840 x 2160, or (as philiplipetz said) Quad HD. Also generally known as "4K", even though it's not 4096 wide. There is a DCI standard for 4096x2160 which is called 4K.

2K is just a little tiny bit higher resolution than 1080p. 2160p is Quad HD, four times the res of HD.
 
Barry_Green said:
2160P means 3840 x 2160, or (as philiplipetz said) Quad HD. Also generally known as "4K", even though it's not 4096 wide. There is a DCI standard for 4096x2160 which is called 4K.

2K is just a little tiny bit higher resolution than 1080p. 2160p is Quad HD, four times the res of HD.
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...just like 1920x1080 is called 1080. Duh to me. Got it, thanks!
 
Mitch (can be referred to by one name only ... unless he prefers a different moniker) says FS5 does have a 10-bit out via HDMI to an external recorder.
 
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