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Im half after a replacement for my EX1 - Id like a better lens and a better image - but really 5 odd years delivers an extra 15mbs and a few more pixels on the viewfinder? Hmmm

It would be great if there was something between 1/2 usability and S35 unusability in this price class
 
morgan_moore said:
- but really 5 odd years delivers an extra 15mbs and a few more pixels on the viewfinder? Hmmm
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There's a lot more to it than that - not least an upgrade path to XAVC next year. That opens the door to things like higher frame rate recording etc. I think there are also likely to be options for proxy type codecs and wireless connectivity, but it's early days for info yet. Worth looking at http://www.xdcam-user.com/2013/06/t...ement-has-finally-arrived-xdcam-422-and-xavc/
 
I tend to agree with Morgan. Using the same chipset with a twist is not that exciting. The EX series image is nice but left me cold. Seeing that the 4:2:2 round of updates for these cameras is out there, it looks like years before a true "better image" upgrade will be created.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I tend to agree with Morgan. Using the same chipset with a twist is not that exciting. The EX series image is nice but left me cold. Seeing that the 4:2:2 round of updates for these cameras is out there, it looks like years before a true "better image" upgrade will be created.
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Bassman....what do you mean when you say "left you cold"
 
Tough to say. I used to use the EX-1 along side an HPX-500 and although the EX had more resolution I was always drawn more to the Panasonic. Even though I tweaked the EX to resemble the Panasonic look. Out of the box the EX had a boring flat look imho. After setep it had a nice image no doubt but kind of clinical? Very subjective, but when I hear Sony just added a better codec option to a 4 year old camera it does not make me want to consider the purchase.
 
I think my 'disappointment' is the still gaping hole in the market for a camera (in the sub 15k market) that sits nicely between

S35 - "I cant focus this or buy a decent zoom (for under 34k)"

Sub 2/3 - "Footage Looks like a video camera that my aunt has"
 
morgan_moore said:
I think my 'disappointment' is the still gaping hole in the market for a camera (in the sub 15k market) that sits nicely between

S35 - "I cant focus this or buy a decent zoom (for under 34k)"

Sub 2/3 - "Footage Looks like a video camera that my aunt has"
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A hole that, for some of us, is filled rather nicely by the AF100. Pro video camera features, large-enough sensor, and a couple of decent zooms (12-35 and 35-100), all for a grand total of around $6k... I know it's not the most popular product on the market, but dang, the feature set is just exactly what I want. Sure I wish it had a sharper image and more DR, but everything else is a pretty neat package.
 
Barry_Green said:
A hole that, for some of us, is filled rather nicely by the AF100. Pro video camera features, large-enough sensor, and a couple of decent zooms (12-35 and 35-100), all for a grand total of around $6k... I know it's not the most popular product on the market, but dang, the feature set is just exactly what I want. Sure I wish it had a sharper image and more DR, but everything else is a pretty neat package.
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The zooms are only 3x though....actually a little less than 3x. Which you can get with the C100/300,
FS100/700 or other larger sensor cams (decent 3x zooms that is). I think maybe the idea is, that with
a smaller than S35 sensor, a zoom could have a bit more range maybe? Since the glass has to cover a
smaller chip? How about a 12-60 f2.8 zoom on the AF100, does anyone make one of those? Seems like
it might be doable.....and popular!

I'd hope you'd pay less than 6k for the AF100 setup you describe. I only paid 7k for a FS700
(B stock but full warranty) a new 17-50 F2.8 and a 50-150 F2.8 which is about the same
zoom range you are talking about once you take into consideration the bigger chip on the
FS700.
 
Barry_Green said:
How could you get an FS700 with two lenses for $7,000??? That seems like a heck of a deal!
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Yeah it was a good deal. Omega had a B-stock FS700 which didn't qualify for the free Metabones adapter
promotion from Sony so I got a fantastic price on it. Brand new Tamron 17-50 F2.8 off EBay for $320
and B-stock 50-150 F2.8 Sigma from B&H for $400. (It's a discontinued lens as the new
version is bigger and has IS).
I wasn't meaning to suggest you can just go get this deal as I had to scour the Internet for these deals,
but still I was thinking AF100 plus lenses might be doable for 5 grand or maybe even
less if you shop around. Pretty sure a board sponsor has B-stock AF100's for $2899ish.....
pretty good deal.
 
Barry_Green said:
A hole that, for some of us, is filled rather nicely by the AF100. Pro video camera features, large-enough sensor, and a couple of decent zooms (12-35 and 35-100), all for a grand total of around $6k... I know it's not the most popular product on the market, but dang, the feature set is just exactly what I want. Sure I wish it had a sharper image and more DR, but everything else is a pretty neat package.
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I happen to be a fan of the MFT sensor size, and believe theoretically a very good camera system could be based around it, but IMO the AF100 codec is far too thin, and there are no MFT 'proper' ($5-10k?) zooms - I cant stand pulling focus on AF stills glass and ideally don't want to change lenses at all doing RnG, although I would like of course a removable lens to chuck on the 12 or 17 and other primes for the right projects..

Even S16 in a pro package would be very interesting at least there are zooms for that format.
 
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