This is will be interesting.
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New Nikon D810 DSLR
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Nikon like it or not will have to get into the 4K video game. And they will have to do it better than their competitors or risk going out of business.
It is not enough to make great still cameras any longer. The world and media are changing every hour. Go big - or file for chapter 11.
It is not enough to make great still cameras any longer. The world and media are changing every hour. Go big - or file for chapter 11.
roxics
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Call me an optimist, but I love that Nikon is pushing a camera for filmmakers. Even if it isn't everything everyone wants. It shows me they haven't completely decided to ignore video but still see it as a feature set they want to compete in. So long as they keep this mentality, we could see some great cameras from them in the future.
Today a $3200 DSLR that only shoots 1080p video is a misfire….
I love Nikon, I use them for my still shoots.
I had a Nikon F2 in 1975.
I still have not found one camera that does stills & video as one solution….
That said - I still have not seen what the GH4 can do as far as stills….
I don't understand Nikon's reluctance to really embrace video. It's competitors are all taking video seriously. I just bought a D600 and I love the stills image quality; but my old Panasonic gh2 has better video capabilities. (at half the price!)
I read that Nikon is not doing so well financially. Maybe this is one of the reasons. Gotta broom the old 'business model' . C'mon Nikon, give us your versions of the Canon C100/300/500.
I read that Nikon is not doing so well financially. Maybe this is one of the reasons. Gotta broom the old 'business model' . C'mon Nikon, give us your versions of the Canon C100/300/500.
I think the D810 is only supposed to be a midlife upgrade to the D800/D800E (they could have called it D800S). Still they've added some nice video features. Nikon has rarely been first in video features, but they do make good cameras that I use. Let's see what the next fully new generation brings.
With the D810 priced at $3200 I don't see how Nikon could ever be competitive in the 4K video arena.
There may not be a "next generation" at Nikon.
combatentropy
Veteran
I, for one, am still waiting for a DSLR with global shutter. 1080p would be just dandy.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
It is because the video market is a much smaller market than the stills market and video will always be secondary function on professional DSLRs.
Follow the money.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
Do you really need 4K?
I mean, this camera has the one feature I've been asking for in DSLRs since manufacturers other than Canon started taking the lead: a flat profile designed for video. If it keeps all the DR from that lovely sensor, this will be a really good camera for video, specially if paired with an external recorder (to avoid shadow noise eating up that extra DR).
Probably not as good as the a7s, but much better for stills. My recommendation for people shooting stills first, video second... IF that profile is really good, which I hope it is.
I mean, this camera has the one feature I've been asking for in DSLRs since manufacturers other than Canon started taking the lead: a flat profile designed for video. If it keeps all the DR from that lovely sensor, this will be a really good camera for video, specially if paired with an external recorder (to avoid shadow noise eating up that extra DR).
Probably not as good as the a7s, but much better for stills. My recommendation for people shooting stills first, video second... IF that profile is really good, which I hope it is.
Oller Visuals
Well-known member
Indeed.
I'm certainly open to a Cxxx competitor from Nikon, but personally I wouldn't bat an eye if they dropped video from the stills cameras all together. Since they're, you know, stills cameras. I wonder how much lighter or cheaper the D810 might be without the heat dissipation demanded by 1080p60. However...
I think you guys are drastically overestimating how many people there are like yourselves (video shooters serious/rich enough to buy something even close to this big and heavy [or even something with interchangeable lenses] but not serious/rich enough to get something with motion-focused sensor design and ergonomics). My impression was that it was a very vocal but very small minority.
I think you guys are drastically overestimating how many people there are like yourselves (video shooters serious/rich enough to buy something even close to this big and heavy [or even something with interchangeable lenses] but not serious/rich enough to get something with motion-focused sensor design and ergonomics). My impression was that it was a very vocal but very small minority.
Nikon indeed was THE FIRST to put video in DSLR- remember the D90? Canon 5D2 was the response to it. I (still) can't believe Nikon blew that one so badly....
Lee Saxon- "I'm certainly open to a Cxxx competitor from Nikon, but personally I wouldn't bat an eye if they dropped video from the stills cameras all together. Since they're, you know, stills cameras. I wonder how much lighter or cheaper the D810 might be without the heat dissipation demanded by 1080p60 .I think you guys are drastically overestimating how many people there are like yourselves (video shooters serious/rich enough to buy something even close to this big and heavy [or even something with interchangeable lenses] but not serious/rich enough to get something with motion-focused sensor design and ergonomics). My impression was that it was a very vocal but very small minority."
Sniff? Do I smell bile? Lee, why the disdain for video on 'stills cameras'? They've been a boon to the industry. And you wrongly assume that I'm a "rich" DSLR video shooter. Personally, I'm not a big fan of them. I was truly bummed when Panasonic abandoned the AF100 in favor of the GH4. My incredulity concerning Nikon not taking video serious, is not borne of my own personal wants or desires. It's Business 101: As a company you are either leading or you are playing catch-up. Competition forces you to keep up or wither on the vine. It's no secret Nikon is hurting. They are in the midst of a major re-organization. Their stock has declined 3 years in a row . (to be fair, cell phone cameras have taken a huge chunk out of camera makers lucrative 'point and shoot market')
So I re-iterate; "I don't understand Nikon's reluctance to embrace video." It could only help their 'bottom line'. I'd imagine Canon and Sony are benefitting from Nikon's half-hearted attempt in the video market right now. Competition is a great thing. Look at all the amazing cameras now available. And at every price point. I'd just like to see Nikon throw their hat into the ring. Who knows; maybe they'll come out with 'next-big-thing'. We'd all benefit from that!
Side note: If you want Full Frame DSLRs to be lighter and cheaper, then they need to ditch the mirror. Plain and simple. Talk about the vestigial tail. The mirror is no longer necessary on modern digital cameras. They would probably already be gone but unfortunately the perception that Mirror = Professional, still exists.
Sniff? Do I smell bile? Lee, why the disdain for video on 'stills cameras'? They've been a boon to the industry. And you wrongly assume that I'm a "rich" DSLR video shooter. Personally, I'm not a big fan of them. I was truly bummed when Panasonic abandoned the AF100 in favor of the GH4. My incredulity concerning Nikon not taking video serious, is not borne of my own personal wants or desires. It's Business 101: As a company you are either leading or you are playing catch-up. Competition forces you to keep up or wither on the vine. It's no secret Nikon is hurting. They are in the midst of a major re-organization. Their stock has declined 3 years in a row . (to be fair, cell phone cameras have taken a huge chunk out of camera makers lucrative 'point and shoot market')
So I re-iterate; "I don't understand Nikon's reluctance to embrace video." It could only help their 'bottom line'. I'd imagine Canon and Sony are benefitting from Nikon's half-hearted attempt in the video market right now. Competition is a great thing. Look at all the amazing cameras now available. And at every price point. I'd just like to see Nikon throw their hat into the ring. Who knows; maybe they'll come out with 'next-big-thing'. We'd all benefit from that!
Side note: If you want Full Frame DSLRs to be lighter and cheaper, then they need to ditch the mirror. Plain and simple. Talk about the vestigial tail. The mirror is no longer necessary on modern digital cameras. They would probably already be gone but unfortunately the perception that Mirror = Professional, still exists.
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diegocervo
Well-known member
Couldn't agree more. After being an happy d800e shooter for stills, now I'm a super happy shooter with the sony A7R. It's just the d800e coupled with better processor, smarter autofocus, peaking, great electronic viewfinder, improved video functions. Oh, and all packed in half the weight of the D800!
Really, I'm starting to love my new mirror less system.
pulpfiction007
Veteran
While plenty will buy the D810 for stills alone, and even some will use it for both....I do think Nikon should seriously look into improving video for the next few years to come. Things are really changing fast, and those who aren't offering multiple features will begin to lose business.
As for mirrorless...I 1000% agree, there is really no need for the mirror now to achieve great images - The most astounding camera (for photos) I've used in the last 5 years is my Fuji XE-1. IQ off the charts, don't even think twice about using high ISO and I don't even bother with raw, the jpegs are that good.
As for mirrorless...I 1000% agree, there is really no need for the mirror now to achieve great images - The most astounding camera (for photos) I've used in the last 5 years is my Fuji XE-1. IQ off the charts, don't even think twice about using high ISO and I don't even bother with raw, the jpegs are that good.