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That doesn’t exactly show what makes the difference between “double layer” and “real and true dual layer.” While the recording dyes are different, this spec behaves exactly the same as DVD+R DL. (And it would have to if it wants to be played on any standard DVD player.) Both burn outbound on the bottom layer and inbound on the top. Both record their directories to the top. They have the same capacity. The only difference between the two is the same difference between their single-layer counterparts. Are you going to argue that DVD+Rs are not “true single-layer”?

Mere punctuation doesn’t make the distinction. If factory-pressed DVDs are the definition of “real,” then no home-burned DVD is. It’s a completely different process.
 
Who’s crying? I have no stake in any of it. (Like I care what ships in a Mac -- I was only curious.)

If there's any meaningful distinction between "double-layer" and "real and true dual-layer," please explain. Not a difference between +R and -R, but a difference between "double-layer" and "real and true dual-layer."
 
You don't have to cry about it :cry:

Just let it go. You want to be right so bad you can't stand it. The fact remains that DVD-R DL will be the closest you can get to a pressed Dual DVD. Futhermore, the "+" format in general is completely rouge to begin with. They are not even approved standards by the DVD forum. That doesn't make it a bad format, just bad for the customer by causing confusion.

I'd rather wait a little longer to have an *approved* DVD-R Dual Layer standard rather than a half-assed, can't find any decent media, solution like DVD+R DL. Haven't you ever wondered why the "+" formats don't carry the *DVD* logo? Hmm!! Do some reading on afterdawn forums or cd freaks. BYE!! :cry:

~reservoir~

Oh...and one more thing.....it really doesn't matter what drives are in the macs to begin with. The Superdrives are all made by Pioneer and will have firmware updates for DVD-R DL. :)
 
I just care wich of them are cheaper and more like a standard...

Right now it looks like a technology ready for a jump... over it... from normal, one layer DVDs to HDDVD or Blueray, so yes, i care little what my apple comes with, as right now i´m using -r dvds all time.
 
it bothers me how everyone is complaining about not reaching 3ghz "becaue steve promised" . big deal, he thought they'd get there and they didn't, get over it. It's not like he makes the chips himself, it's not his fault (i would go as far to say it's no ones fault).They'll get there eventually but people are so quick to get pissed at him for saying we'd have it 2 years ago.

dual 2.7 is plenty for most people and it bothers me how people just want to say "i have a dual 3ghz" for bragging rights.

I'd rather have a solid and tested 2.7ghz system then a rushed 3ghz system. although I agree they could've added some extras to the new systems.

However, not that I can get a dual 2 ghz rev. b for $1699 on sale, it seems a lot nicer than the $2299 price tag it had a few days ago.
 
Look, you made the claim that there's some difference between "double layer" and "dual layer." Explain it. If you can't, then I guess there isn't a difference, is there?

I know exactly why +R does not carry the "DVD" logo. I also know that just about every member of the +RW Alliance is also a member of the DVD Forum. It's not like the DVD Forum is some sanctioning body with the power to declare what's "real" and what isn't; it's just a bunch of techies from different companies drawn together to try to avoid a format war.

For the record, I use mostly DVD-R. But this is not about +R v. -R.

Trying to draw some distinction between "double layer" and "dual layer" -- especially one based entirely on "+" or "-" -- is needlessly confusing, because they're interchangeable terms. They're the SAME THING. (After all, isn't "confusion" what we're trying to avoid here?)

:thumbsup:

reservoir said:
You don't have to cry about it :cry:

Just let it go. You want to be right so bad you can't stand it. The fact remains that DVD-R DL will be the closest you can get to a pressed Dual DVD. Futhermore, the "+" format in general is completely rouge to begin with. They are not even approved standards by the DVD forum. That doesn't make it a bad format, just bad for the customer by causing confusion.

I'd rather wait a little longer to have an *approved* DVD-R Dual Layer standard rather than a half-assed, can't find any decent media, solution like DVD+R DL. Haven't you ever wondered why the "+" formats don't carry the *DVD* logo? Hmm!! Do some reading on afterdawn forums or cd freaks. BYE!! :cry:

~reservoir~

Oh...and one more thing.....it really doesn't matter what drives are in the macs to begin with. The Superdrives are all made by Pioneer and will have firmware updates for DVD-R DL. :)
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I agree. People hold Steve's word on such a high pedestal.....it's like whatever he says has to be etched into the *MAC Commandments* or something. 3Ghz will come. If people aren't satisfied with 2.7....then go design your own god damn chips and quit bitching about how Steve Sucks and Apple Sucks and blahse, blahse!! I mean really.....the fastest Intel Chips can't even touch the G5's when it comes to video editing and rendering, etc. What more do the Apple Nerds want?

~reservoir~
 
Jubal28 said:
Look, you made the claim that there's some difference between "double layer" and "dual layer." Explain it. If you can't, then I guess there isn't a difference, is there?

I know exactly why +R does not carry the "DVD" logo. I also know that just about every member of the +RW Alliance is also a member of the DVD Forum. It's not like the DVD Forum is some sanctioning body with the power to declare what's "real" and what isn't; it's just a bunch of techies from different companies drawn together to try to avoid a format war.

For the record, I use mostly DVD-R. But this is not about +R v. -R.

Trying to draw some distinction between "double layer" and "dual layer" -- especially one based entirely on "+" or "-" -- is needlessly confusing, because they're interchangeable terms. They're the SAME THING. (After all, isn't "confusion" what we're trying to avoid here?)

:thumbsup:
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You don't have to *KEEP* crying about it!! :cry:

I thought this conversation was over a few posts ago? :grin:

~reservoir~

Oh...and if they were the same thing....we wouldn't need two seperate formats!! :thumbsup:
 
Rez

He's not crying; he's making perfect sense. Don't turn this into a typical 'Forum' atmosphere. I myself have no idea but the goal here is to educate and debate not make comments like "Don't cry..." and that's not a real good response anyway; please either address questions or say "I am not sure" or "I do not know" but really; don't turn this into lameness please.
 
Ooohhh; I like that. Does Terry not have the best Avatar ever? Literally everytime I see it Laugh Out Loud. Hilarious skit!
 
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