New info on the HDX!

Save up Zim, it won't be cheap. Plus you'll have to buy microphones, filters etc. I imagine only one card will be included.
 
bilgami said:
[BiLGaMi Video Productions] :grin:

Where are the pics of the new pana cam jvc has pics of their new cam. if the cam is set to debut next month at nab anyway why not show some pics of the cam already.
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I have to agree. With JVC being moderately open about it and Panasonic not giving away one *stitch* of information other than the DVCPRO & P2 stuff....it better be one damn nice camera or all the hype will be for nothing. Even if they give us no other info, they could at least give us a small picture that wouldn't give away too many other details about the cam's functions and stuff.

It's almost like they are withholding info to build their own hype. I just hope it doesn't end up biting them in the butt and their wallet if the cam is a letdown. I don't think it will be. But throw us another bone already Panny!! Were dying here!! ~reservoir~
 
reservoir said:
But throw us another bone already Panny!! Were dying here!! ~reservoir~
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It is odd. I completely understand the need for companies to protect future technology, but at this point, we all know there's a camera coming, and have a few details. The camera is already built. The fact that nothing more has "leaked" equates to a concerted effort on their part to prevent such things.

I also appreciate hype and buildup as a marketing tool, but too much and the camera better be incredible or all that hype may cause a backlash of created cynics ragging on every compromise they find. I guess that would happen no matter what. I have seen people ragging on the Varicam.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
It's bad luck for the groom to see the bride before the wedding ceremony.
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Very true. However there's a symbolic meaning to a white dress as well that seems to have lost all credibility. :grin:
 
MikeFawcett said:
I've seen behind the curtain. It will be worth the wait. You guys are as bad as my kids the week before Christmas.
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I have never met you or your kids, but I would expect we're worse. :happy:
 
This is starting to remind me of the movie BIG FISH, where the protagonist works in the circus for weeks just to hear a tiny new detail every so often about the girl he has a crush on. "She likes the color blue"....... another month passes,......... "she likes daises",.......... another month passes.... "she's fond of butterflies"....etc.

Are we waiting in line to date the pretty new girl?
 
terry_g_johnson said:
Questions about DVCPRO HD
DVCPROHD bit rate is 100mbs (for 60p ?)
Does this mean that DVCPROHD bit rate is 50mbs (for 30p ?)
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I don't think DVCPROHD does 1080p, least 1080/60p.
 
What are the advantages of using 60p (as opposed to 30p) which make it worth using twice as much memory and half the storage time on a P2 card?
 
Quite right jnolla. It does 720p60 or 1080i I believe.

60p is great for display on a progressive monitor of some sort - progressive scan tv, computer, film etc.

It's large benefit is high resolution and lots of motion samples per second. More samples = smoother motion. Good for sports etc. This can either be used stand alone for high res video or used for high res slow motion (which cannot be achieved with interlaced).
 
The simple answer to your question is "yes". Of course, there's not really a simple answer, because until the HD cam with P2 arrives, DVCPRO-HD has only ever been able to be recorded on tape, and on tape it's always 100 megabits. DVCPRO-HD provides for variable frame rate recording, so you can shoot 60p, or 30p, or 24p, or 33p, or 17p, or whatever rate you want (provided, of course, that the camera allows it; right now the only 720p DVCPRO-HD camera is the VariCam, which does provide for fully variable frame rates).

On tape, the camera flags "real" frames, vs. "duplicate" frames that it needs to pad the data rate to be compatible with tape. Because the tape drive must always record 100 megabits and 60 frames, and because a 720/30p frame stream only has 30 frames (and would need only 50 megabits to encode it), the tape drive would duplicate frames to fill out and pad it up to 60. Those frames then get removed when editing, resulting in a pure, raw 30p stream. Same thing happens at 24p, or 4p, or whatever frame rate you choose.

So, with P2, the speculation is that it'll only record the actual, necessary frames. A 720/30p stream would then occupy 50 megabits per second on the card. A 720/24p stream would occupy 40 megabits per second on the card.

DVCPRO-HD also supports 1080i, but 1080i is always a 60-field data stream, so it's always 60 fields and 100 megabits, whether on tape or on P2.

As for why one would want to use 60p instead of 30p, it's all about the look. 24P looks like film, 30p looks like a hybrid film/video look, and 60p has the full "video" look, ideal for sports or reality TV.
 
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