New HD100 brochure

[thisiswells]

Remember, A lot of punditd made similar statements about DV when it was introduced. I never believed that HD would be so compressed - but there it is.

Yes, true. It never ceases to surprise me how some folks don't "get" DV. The idea was a lower entry cost. The first DV camera was $4k and ten years later a good DV camera remains about the same price. The problem would be when top shelf camera records on DV.. like, if the SDX900 only recorded to miniDV. Huge mistake. That's the direction JVC appears to be going, which is stupid. If they are intending a camera in that price range it needs to have something a little more advanced than 19Mbps HDV in the engine room. HDV cams in the same ballpark as a DV cam is an incredible idea and really I look forward to the HD100. I've (cringes) actually been thinking about ordering one. I stand my ground on the $27K camera. It needs to have a more advanced recording method to justify the cost. Panasonic will likely introduce a P2 VariCam next year for around $40K street price (speculated, although it seems to reason) and JVC needs to be competitive and be cheaper because they are JVC.

 

[Rosestar]

This brochure really gets my goat. "So one day we will give you 1080i"... "One day, we will give you 4 channels of uncompressed audio"...

What's wrong with today?

 

[lacuna]

This brochure really gets my goat. "So one day we will give you 1080i"... "One day, we will give you 4 channels of uncompressed audio"...

What's wrong with today?

We'll you can't get your hans on an HVX today either. Come to think of it Jan started disseminating info on that camera early this year, bless her soul, and it won't be available till... and don't you remember the original Pana handheld P2/HD mock camera was shown way back at NAB 2004 - a design that never materialised (well, it morphed into the HVX). I'm not knocking Pana, just asking you to give JVC a break.

I think JVC's done a pretty good job in delivering the HD100. It was announced just before NAB and it'll be in shops in a matter of weeks. And the price keeps falling away too... last I checked you can order one for $5400!

As for the features you refer to, well JVC has been pretty clear that they will be on the forthcoming GY-HD7000, also rolled out at NAB. See this interview:

http://www.dvformat.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=31724

By the way guys, the $27000 figure floating around was for a 2/3" HD camera including lens - with optional HD-SDI in/out and who knows what else when it eventuates. Street price could be well below that. Put a decent lens on the DSR570 and you're not talking about a cheap camera either. Plenty of high-end DV/DVCAM/DVCPRO units have sold, despite DV's humble origins.

It's good for everyone that JVC is coming forth as a real contender. What I like about the HD100 is that there's some real innovation there. And in terms of form factor, it just seems to be a really well desgined camera. It's just got that HDV issue hanging over it - but maybe it'll come through with flying colours.

Barry I like your wait and see approach. Look forward to your review of the HD100

 

[Neil Rowe]

Ah, but you misunderstand -- none of that is applicable to this camera. Those are extensions that would be offered under ProHD XE, likely in the forthcoming $27,000 2/3" camera next year. The current HD100 can only record one stereo pair, and that one is only recorded in MPEG-1 Layer II compression. No solid state media, no 1080i recording of any type. Those are features that may be explored on other cameras, but not on this one.

That brochure wasn't just about the HD100, it was about JVC's plans for ProHD across the line, including ProHD XE. Those future plans won't be implemented in the current cam.

..misunderstood indeedilly doo. ..in reading the brochure somewhat hastily it sounded like those " future upgrades" were intended for the camera highlighted in the brochure. lol, back down a few notches there JVC..

 

[xray]

It is a pity they did not bring the extra 2ch PCM audio in this model. It would given the HDV [Pro] claim more weight. If you take a closer look at the 'motionfilter' you can see that 60P/ 50P is already internally in the system (in component mode) but they combine the two frames -in 720 mode- to create a 'no time shifted' progressive frame.

Probably the bandwidth is the problem, if they can enlarge that (MPEG-2 gives room for enhancements) and if they can speed up the processor/ memory it should be possible to write that 720/60P signal with intelligent compression on a harddisk.

JVC showed us yesterday some new homevideocams working not with tape, not with DVD, not with P2.. but with 2,5" laptopharddisk. It records MPEG-2 with 9mb/s . Even the smallest version ( 20 GB) can record continuously for 4,5 hour.

 

[athouguia]

I'm just waiting for it's availability to get one. This is the first real professional HDV camcorder, however I don't understand why they used RCA connectors instead of the BNC. Also, there are no TCin and out... you cannot syncronize the timecode with other cameras cameras, and that's a pity!

 

[thisiswells]

This brochure really gets my goat. "So one day we will give you 1080i"... "One day, we will give you 4 channels of uncompressed audio"...

What's wrong with today?

I agree with rosestar. Could someone explain to me the Pro in ProHD? On the surface the format doesn't appear different than we already had. PCM audio would have been a real upgrade. Not to discredit the wonderful direction they are going, but this camera isn't just half baked, it's completely baked.