filmguy123
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Who the hell cares where it came from, so long as it works and is useful especially within the context of resolution independent editing, and native workflow?
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Who the hell cares where it came from, so long as it works and is useful especially within the context of resolution independent editing, and native workflow?
I'm sorry but a lot of what you are saying here is just off. First, they explicitly stated that the new version is designed to scale from the simple Intel Macbook all the way up to the towers. It won't require any greater horsepower than FCP 7 to run, only to use all the fancy new stuff to full advantage.
Second, the market for FCP is much different than your "apple lapdogs" who lovez the newz iPhonez because it's shiny. You're talking about pro editors. The editors of True Grit, Social Network, 500 Days of Summer, 300, etc. On the topic, The Social Network won the academy award for Best Editing.
Third, many of these features ARE revolutionary in the sense that they will actually be USED on a widespread basis at a high-end professional level. Final Cut's market share KILLS Adobe Premiere on the prosumer front, and let's not even talk big budget movies - I'm sure there's SOMETHING out there edited on Premiere, but I can't name a single flick. And then Sony Vegas - it's great, but their market share is even lower. So yes, this IS revolutionary because it will actually have an impact on a large number of editors, unlike Premiere, Vegas, Edius, etc. I agree - perhaps not revolutionary in the sense that the features have never been done before, but revolutionary in the sense that it will actual CHANGE the way people edit because a large amount of people will actually USE the software. Something isn't revolutionary in a practical sense if no one uses it.
Further, many different NLEs have done some of what FCP is doing, but the COMBINATION of all of those things in one place, and the polish/execution (how WELL they are done) is what will likely set FCP apart. And it's this combination and polish that hasn't been done before. Of course I can't speak yet to the polish, but there aren't many examples of Apple dropping the ball in the polish department.
And finally, please, enough with the "iMovie Pro" talk. It's getting old, not because it's some weakness of FCP, but because it is simply not accurate. They did not build anything on the iMovie platform. They took some of the surface level UI, and some of the best technical features, and incorporated them into a the high-end professional tool that FCP is, as they SHOULD. The features are great and it would be non-sensical to leave them out. Keywording is a LIFE SAVER for sports highlight videos. Skimming is beautiful for live event coverage. And the new interface, that takes the best of FCP and other editors, is a welcome step forward - especially since it's been reported from a beta user that the option to use the traditional timeline is there if you so wish.
So please, enough with the Apple hating. It belongs in teenage iPhone VS Android debate, not adult professional editors. And as for your "pseudo-creative" comment, it's ironic because what FCP X does it cuts out even more of the technical non-creative crap and lets you get straight to true creativity. The automated processes all deal with technical tasks that are simple drudgery. The only thing "pseudo-creative" in the editing world is uncreative editors who rely solely on technical knowledge to set them apart. This is a boon for creatives.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Point is, FCP is a very good NLE that's been slacking and just made it's (awesome) come back. It's my NLE by choice and for a variety of good reasons, not because of ignorance or being an apple fanboy. And I'm not alone. Apple's good at marketing but I respect that, since my career is basically sizzling things up via video as it is. The important thing is, can they back the sizzle? Most of the time, the answer is yes, even despite minor quibbling here and there. The polish of everything else almost always makes up for it in my book. My money is on FCP X living up to the sizzle. Can't wait.
Or perhaps I just don't like my software making decisions for me.
Further, judging from the reports from Beta users that you can switch to traditional timelines and viewers, I would think it's a pretty safe bet you will be able to highlight and render certain work areas for those few people trying to edit 4K w/out proxys on their 4 year old laptop.
Social Network was not mostly edited in Adobe. It wasn't edited on Adobe at all. It was edited in Final Cut Pro and imported into Adobe Premiere for the sole purpose of moving through the edit to round-trip FX clips to After Effects CS5 for the VFX.
If they were going to do that for the VFX, why not just edit the whole thing in Premiere and why go through the trouble of an EDL from FCP?
Look, my point isn't to say Premiere is bad, it's a great tool. My point is in defense of your baseless assertions against FCP.
The iPhone VS Evo video is exactly what I was thinking of in my Apple VS Android comment and was not random. The point being, replacing iPhone with "FCP" and Android with "Other NLEs" is not a congruent comparison - though you implied in your use of Apple lapdogs and other opinions towards FCP that it was. You can restate things if you like, or perhaps clarify your opinion, but your first post is clearly indicates your idea that FCP users are like the brainless iPhone user from that video.
The iMovie Pro issue has been beat to death, I'll only say it clearly indicates a highly superficial (and logically absurd) viewpoint to say "the UI looks like iMovie... so... it's LITERALLY iMovie Pro!" Please. And of COURSE it was intentional on Apple's part - iMovie has a great User Interface. What it doesn't have is powerful editing. On the bright side though, it sounds like you're really good at judging books by their cover!![]()
Craziness... I keep reading from Vegas lovers than FCPX is a rip-off of Vegas, and I hear Premiere Pro users say it's a rip-off of CS5, and then others say it really looks like iMovie on steriods! Shirley, it doesn't look like all three of those? I don't think it would matter WHAT Apple did to FCPX, someone would say it's now just like "NLE X". They're all editing systems and there's only so many ways it can look using a time-line, they're all gonna resemble each other to some degree.
Right and wrong. The initial chronological order of the story was indeed cut first in FCP, but then the majority of the editing was completed in CS5 (both PP and AE), the article I linked you to says as much.
If I read one more mention of "fanboy," "fanboi", "lapdog," or anything similar in this thread, it's gone.
Start discussing Final Cut Pro X.
The personal comments must end now. As well as the continual argument as to what NLE was used to edit what film.
The points have been made, and now the argument ends.
Regarding the pricing, I understand how pricing can help separate consumer products from professional products, but do you realize how ridiculous you sound complaining about something that's going to to cost you less money (simply for the pride of saying you have a professional product)? Just because a consumer user might be able to get their hands on it, does not mean they will be able to understand or use it, or afford professional cameras, etc. to supplement it.
I am not concerned about the price being too low. The problem is that we have a lot invested in a Final Cut workflow. If the price indicates a shift in focus, where the design is geared towards consumers, some of us might have to jump ship and move on. I am not suggesting that is the case, but that is the slightly paranoid thought, that has a lot of us trying to figure out what to do. For example, having the functions of Color built into Final Cut might sound nice, but that doesn't mean that it is set up for an efficient workflow for color design. The same is true with sweetening sound.