filmguy123
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oneinfiniteloop (hey there Mr. Apple reference 
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Note a few things:
1.) I'm not in the slightest disagreeing about market saturation from hobbyists. If you go back a couple pages you'll see I've chimed in numerous times about my (bad) experiences with that. And yes, the lower price point does contribute to that, but as has been discussed, many of these amateurs pirate software anyway, so the price doesn't concern me much. Yeah, it'll open it up more cause it's legal, but still. I'm much more worried about cheap DSLRs than FCP X being $299. Note as well - FCP 7 would probably be the same price if served out ala-carte. Apple has said they have "more to come" and this was only a look at FCP X, so we'll see what they have done with the other suite apps and what the pricing is. (my guess: Color & STP fully included in FCP X; Motion combined with Shake [Phenom rumor] with superb integration with FCPX, rivaling AE/Premiere, layer + nodal workflows; compressor UI update and tweaks; DVD Studio Pro either scrapped or no update. It's possible Color will retain it's own seperate module/interface for dedicated colorists, but I just don't see it for Soundtrack Pro. Suite price tag @ $999).
2.) Revolutionary in ONE sense absolutely does have to do with how many people use it. Yes, there are revolutionary FEATURES in and of themselves. And then there's revolutionary in the sense that it actually CHANGES or REVOLUTIONIZES something, such as the way an industry of people edit. The second can only happen if people use it. Do you see what I am saying? My point is, in one of these (I would argue equal) senses of the word, FCP X is revolutionizing the industry in a way Vegas never has or could, even though it is simply introducing some of the same features. And second to that point was the fact the FCP X combines and polishes many of these concepts into one package.
3.) I'm well aware Avid has more edited movies on it, notice I only called out Vegas/Premiere? That was for a reason. Though it's worth noting that most of these revolutionary concepts that people say have been done before (I'm not talking about 64-bit) are more drawn from Premiere and Vegas, so the point stands. And on that topic, FCP's market share overall is MUCH higher than Avid is today, even though Avid still reigns in the high end hollywood market.
4.) LOOKING like iMovie doesn't make it look like a toy, only your internal association does. What I am saying is, the interface doesn't look toy-ish. You just see it shares elements in common with iMovie, and you find iMovie toy-ish (so do I). However if you had never seen iMovie, people would simply say the UI looks superb. The point is, it DOES look superb, and it's a good choice. But you know, a go cart looks like a race car... but the similarities in appearance only go so far... that is to say, only at the most basic first look. And an airsoft gun looks like a real gun. But I don't think that makes either a race car or a real gun look like a toy. I realize the iMovie UI came first but that's just the rhythm of software development; from the rumors, this version of FCP can be traced back since before Snow Leopard. I think FCP 7 was the realization that they needed to release SOMETHING since the Cocoa rewrite was taking so longer than anticipated.
5.) P2 issue. Really? I hear what you're saying, but I have owned an HVX200 since it came out and used it with Final Cut. The lack of MXF support (not P2 support, that's different) has been a non issue to me. I never edit straight off the card, I always copy to the computer. The rewrap to .mov files (not a transcode, that's different) adds virtually no time to the copy process. I hear what you're saying about Apple making you do it their way and I've acknowledged that's annoying in a couple areas, namely Blu Ray. But regardless, these are easy work arounds (thought sometimes I agree, you shouldn't HAVE to work around them... but every NLE has issues like that). I had a number of problems with Premiere which is why I ended up staying with FCP (I tried Premiere out again when it came back to Mac). It really comes down to which NLE you prefer and what you do... so once you choose your NLE, who WOUDLNT be excited about a major update? It's not because the person is blind to other NLEs or a stupid fanboy.
One thing to keep in mind: FCP users get STOKED about new features not because they live in a distortion field, but because they have chosen FCP as their editor. I'm well aware that Premiere has been doing some things for a while, but I've been waiting for FCP because that's my editor. So yes, I'm stoked I'm *finally* getting it. FCP 7 was a joke update. People pick their NLEs for whatever reason. For me, it's because (1) it has the most market share so it's easy to work with the most people and get editing jobs easier, (2) I find it the most stable (other than Avid, but I don't like Avid's interface), (3) All of my archived projects are saved in FCP format, (4) I've tried Edius, Vegas, Avid, Premiere, and others and hands down prefer FCP for a number of reasons, even though I've had feature envy from some other NLEs at times.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Point is, FCP is a very good NLE that's been slacking and just made it's (awesome) come back. It's my NLE by choice and for a variety of good reasons, not because of ignorance or being an apple fanboy. And I'm not alone. Apple's good at marketing but I respect that, since my career is basically sizzling things up via video as it is. The important thing is, can they back the sizzle? Most of the time, the answer is yes, even despite minor quibbling here and there. The polish of everything else almost always makes up for it in my book. My money is on FCP X living up to the sizzle. Can't wait.
),Note a few things:
1.) I'm not in the slightest disagreeing about market saturation from hobbyists. If you go back a couple pages you'll see I've chimed in numerous times about my (bad) experiences with that. And yes, the lower price point does contribute to that, but as has been discussed, many of these amateurs pirate software anyway, so the price doesn't concern me much. Yeah, it'll open it up more cause it's legal, but still. I'm much more worried about cheap DSLRs than FCP X being $299. Note as well - FCP 7 would probably be the same price if served out ala-carte. Apple has said they have "more to come" and this was only a look at FCP X, so we'll see what they have done with the other suite apps and what the pricing is. (my guess: Color & STP fully included in FCP X; Motion combined with Shake [Phenom rumor] with superb integration with FCPX, rivaling AE/Premiere, layer + nodal workflows; compressor UI update and tweaks; DVD Studio Pro either scrapped or no update. It's possible Color will retain it's own seperate module/interface for dedicated colorists, but I just don't see it for Soundtrack Pro. Suite price tag @ $999).
2.) Revolutionary in ONE sense absolutely does have to do with how many people use it. Yes, there are revolutionary FEATURES in and of themselves. And then there's revolutionary in the sense that it actually CHANGES or REVOLUTIONIZES something, such as the way an industry of people edit. The second can only happen if people use it. Do you see what I am saying? My point is, in one of these (I would argue equal) senses of the word, FCP X is revolutionizing the industry in a way Vegas never has or could, even though it is simply introducing some of the same features. And second to that point was the fact the FCP X combines and polishes many of these concepts into one package.
3.) I'm well aware Avid has more edited movies on it, notice I only called out Vegas/Premiere? That was for a reason. Though it's worth noting that most of these revolutionary concepts that people say have been done before (I'm not talking about 64-bit) are more drawn from Premiere and Vegas, so the point stands. And on that topic, FCP's market share overall is MUCH higher than Avid is today, even though Avid still reigns in the high end hollywood market.
4.) LOOKING like iMovie doesn't make it look like a toy, only your internal association does. What I am saying is, the interface doesn't look toy-ish. You just see it shares elements in common with iMovie, and you find iMovie toy-ish (so do I). However if you had never seen iMovie, people would simply say the UI looks superb. The point is, it DOES look superb, and it's a good choice. But you know, a go cart looks like a race car... but the similarities in appearance only go so far... that is to say, only at the most basic first look. And an airsoft gun looks like a real gun. But I don't think that makes either a race car or a real gun look like a toy. I realize the iMovie UI came first but that's just the rhythm of software development; from the rumors, this version of FCP can be traced back since before Snow Leopard. I think FCP 7 was the realization that they needed to release SOMETHING since the Cocoa rewrite was taking so longer than anticipated.
5.) P2 issue. Really? I hear what you're saying, but I have owned an HVX200 since it came out and used it with Final Cut. The lack of MXF support (not P2 support, that's different) has been a non issue to me. I never edit straight off the card, I always copy to the computer. The rewrap to .mov files (not a transcode, that's different) adds virtually no time to the copy process. I hear what you're saying about Apple making you do it their way and I've acknowledged that's annoying in a couple areas, namely Blu Ray. But regardless, these are easy work arounds (thought sometimes I agree, you shouldn't HAVE to work around them... but every NLE has issues like that). I had a number of problems with Premiere which is why I ended up staying with FCP (I tried Premiere out again when it came back to Mac). It really comes down to which NLE you prefer and what you do... so once you choose your NLE, who WOUDLNT be excited about a major update? It's not because the person is blind to other NLEs or a stupid fanboy.
One thing to keep in mind: FCP users get STOKED about new features not because they live in a distortion field, but because they have chosen FCP as their editor. I'm well aware that Premiere has been doing some things for a while, but I've been waiting for FCP because that's my editor. So yes, I'm stoked I'm *finally* getting it. FCP 7 was a joke update. People pick their NLEs for whatever reason. For me, it's because (1) it has the most market share so it's easy to work with the most people and get editing jobs easier, (2) I find it the most stable (other than Avid, but I don't like Avid's interface), (3) All of my archived projects are saved in FCP format, (4) I've tried Edius, Vegas, Avid, Premiere, and others and hands down prefer FCP for a number of reasons, even though I've had feature envy from some other NLEs at times.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Point is, FCP is a very good NLE that's been slacking and just made it's (awesome) come back. It's my NLE by choice and for a variety of good reasons, not because of ignorance or being an apple fanboy. And I'm not alone. Apple's good at marketing but I respect that, since my career is basically sizzling things up via video as it is. The important thing is, can they back the sizzle? Most of the time, the answer is yes, even despite minor quibbling here and there. The polish of everything else almost always makes up for it in my book. My money is on FCP X living up to the sizzle. Can't wait.
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