J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: New DVC60
My DVX seriously does not look like a toy. With a Mattebox and Petrol Hood people trip out on it
My DVX seriously does not look like a toy. With a Mattebox and Petrol Hood people trip out on it
New DVC60
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Anhar_Miah
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Re: New DVC60
Just Wanted to add,
If youy REALLY WANT to be pro JUST GET A SDX900 problem solved!!!
The DVX "big brother".
And P.S the public aint stupid, anything that looks like a vx1000 or pd150 style (including the dvx) commands respect it looks different to daddy cams -and average home/hobby cams trust me, every time i watch the news i ALWAYS try and seen what types of cams are being used and guess was, yep pd150, dvx's even xl1!
So, they are used by ENG and are considered "pro" by the average "Joe"
(hey that rymed, cool)
Just Wanted to add,
If youy REALLY WANT to be pro JUST GET A SDX900 problem solved!!!
The DVX "big brother".
And P.S the public aint stupid, anything that looks like a vx1000 or pd150 style (including the dvx) commands respect it looks different to daddy cams -and average home/hobby cams trust me, every time i watch the news i ALWAYS try and seen what types of cams are being used and guess was, yep pd150, dvx's even xl1!
So, they are used by ENG and are considered "pro" by the average "Joe"
(hey that rymed, cool)
Fred_Plowman
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
I used to sell manufactured homes back in the day.
One thing I learned was you can sell anything against anything..
Oak cabinets for instance vs. the pressboard we called the pressboard (hardwood) and its better.. or so I can say.. The newer hardwood cabinets were designed to be uniform in design whereas wood is a product of nature and will have natural flaws that will make it look un uniform.
Also cabinets are in high humidity areas.. the oak cabinets in particular will warp and stain.. when we go to open the cabinet door and our hand is wet it may easily permenantly stain the wood..
My point being..Life is all about perceptions and not truth... we control truth through perception. Because truth doesnt matter. What matters is the perception that those we are trying to convince what truth is...
My dvx is the finest camera on the market.. Let me tell you why.. As technology progresses we have the capability to make electronics smaller and smaller and less expensive and less expensive (notice i didnt say cheaper*bad word in sales) My DVX100A is the finest culmination of elecronics available in addition it allows me to briing to you the customer professional results at a fraction of the price of the production companies that have invested hundreds of thousands in equipment with their big cams...
The reason they want 10k for their project is that they have to pay for that camera they bought 5 years ago at 25 or 30k.. Whereas 25 or 30k is my investment totally with all sound, editing and lighting equipment..
I was able through technology to start a production company for the same price they paid for one camera.. The quality is better through technology(perception) the price for services are less expensive (again perception*may not be true).. And of course the DVX looks professional.. Why its the wave of the future.. Smaller same or better electronics = Better..
Now that would be a speil for someone who doesnt know anything.. somebody who knows something.. they know that the dvx will provide them professional results and you dont really have to sell it..
Thats funnier than ****.. Tony.. have some one kick ya in the junk whenn you show up with your DVC7.. Poetic justice it would be.. lol
I think panasonic is keeping in stride with their business model of event videography.. remember of the old ag455 or something like that?? SVHS.. that was the hottest cam around for event and corporate situations.. they have them on ebay now for $100.00. The DVC60 is today's AG455.
my2c
I used to sell manufactured homes back in the day.
One thing I learned was you can sell anything against anything..
Oak cabinets for instance vs. the pressboard we called the pressboard (hardwood) and its better.. or so I can say.. The newer hardwood cabinets were designed to be uniform in design whereas wood is a product of nature and will have natural flaws that will make it look un uniform.
Also cabinets are in high humidity areas.. the oak cabinets in particular will warp and stain.. when we go to open the cabinet door and our hand is wet it may easily permenantly stain the wood..
My point being..Life is all about perceptions and not truth... we control truth through perception. Because truth doesnt matter. What matters is the perception that those we are trying to convince what truth is...
My dvx is the finest camera on the market.. Let me tell you why.. As technology progresses we have the capability to make electronics smaller and smaller and less expensive and less expensive (notice i didnt say cheaper*bad word in sales) My DVX100A is the finest culmination of elecronics available in addition it allows me to briing to you the customer professional results at a fraction of the price of the production companies that have invested hundreds of thousands in equipment with their big cams...
The reason they want 10k for their project is that they have to pay for that camera they bought 5 years ago at 25 or 30k.. Whereas 25 or 30k is my investment totally with all sound, editing and lighting equipment..
I was able through technology to start a production company for the same price they paid for one camera.. The quality is better through technology(perception) the price for services are less expensive (again perception*may not be true).. And of course the DVX looks professional.. Why its the wave of the future.. Smaller same or better electronics = Better..
Now that would be a speil for someone who doesnt know anything.. somebody who knows something.. they know that the dvx will provide them professional results and you dont really have to sell it..
Thats funnier than ****.. Tony.. have some one kick ya in the junk whenn you show up with your DVC7.. Poetic justice it would be.. lol
I think panasonic is keeping in stride with their business model of event videography.. remember of the old ag455 or something like that?? SVHS.. that was the hottest cam around for event and corporate situations.. they have them on ebay now for $100.00. The DVC60 is today's AG455.
my2c
ChuckS
Veteran
Re: New DVC60
I have four Betacams and a complete online bay, neither of which has been powered up in almost a year. IMO the look of beta is much better than DV and if I had Digibeta maybe I would still use it. However, as an acquisition format DV has made everything so much easier.
Sure many customers have pixel envy and think bigger is better; this is where your ability to manage your customers’ expectation comes in. Rarely do I have a customer ask me about my equipment, unless they are curious how I do what I do. As Fred said, I’m happy to power the up beta if someone is willing pay more, not because it’s better equipment, but because it’s a lot more work to use it, it consumes more power, bigger, heavier, and requires more setup time.
Not a single customer has ever thought the DVX100 looked like a toy, they knew what they were getting before shooting. I have had several customers comment – “that was produced using the DVX?” I think this is more of an issue of setting your customers expectations and letting your work say volumes about what you do.
If a shoulder mount camera allows you to “fake-it-‘till-you-make-it,” good luck. Nevertheless, I would argue the other way, the DVC60 looks like a toy compared to a betacam.
I have four Betacams and a complete online bay, neither of which has been powered up in almost a year. IMO the look of beta is much better than DV and if I had Digibeta maybe I would still use it. However, as an acquisition format DV has made everything so much easier.
Sure many customers have pixel envy and think bigger is better; this is where your ability to manage your customers’ expectation comes in. Rarely do I have a customer ask me about my equipment, unless they are curious how I do what I do. As Fred said, I’m happy to power the up beta if someone is willing pay more, not because it’s better equipment, but because it’s a lot more work to use it, it consumes more power, bigger, heavier, and requires more setup time.
Not a single customer has ever thought the DVX100 looked like a toy, they knew what they were getting before shooting. I have had several customers comment – “that was produced using the DVX?” I think this is more of an issue of setting your customers expectations and letting your work say volumes about what you do.
If a shoulder mount camera allows you to “fake-it-‘till-you-make-it,” good luck. Nevertheless, I would argue the other way, the DVC60 looks like a toy compared to a betacam.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=Fred_Plowman link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#42 date=07/17/04 at 08:20:59]The DVC60 is today's AG455.
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Excellent observation -- I think you're spot on there. The DVC60 will become today's AG455.
[quote author=Fred_Plowman link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#42 date=07/17/04 at 08:20:59]The DVC60 is today's AG455.
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Excellent observation -- I think you're spot on there. The DVC60 will become today's AG455.
Re: New DVC60
IMO: The camera looks like a consumer camera wrapped in additional plastic. But that's just my opinion. When I decided that I wanted a shoulder cam, I bought a DVC200 and added a nice Canon lens. This is what I use for jobs that require a certain "look" to the physical hardware or I need a long 19x reach and extremely sharp picture. On other projects, the DVX works nicely. And on others, my Sony VX2k works better.
As an example, just the other day... Totally, not a hired job...I was at my cousin's engagement party (crowded house)...Broke out the DVX100A and fiddled and fiddled with every setting to get proper exposure without adding a light or too much gain. The DVX just couldn't support this dim, unevenly lit house without supplemental light. In this case, I couldn't walk around with with my on cam light...At that point in time, I really wished I would have brought my VX2k. Another person just so happened to have theirs. There was quite a difference in the quality of the video shot that evening.
I guess my point. All cameras have their advantages. You just need to know when to use which one and understand your limitations. I am lucky to have 3 different cameras that all have their own advantage. If you do not have this luxury, then you have to make a decision on what fits most of your needs and budget. If the DVC60 does that, great. It is definitely the right tool for you.
Just some rambling thoughts from a very exhausted human (I hate mowing the yard when it's 100 degrees and air quality level RED)... :-[
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
IMO: The camera looks like a consumer camera wrapped in additional plastic. But that's just my opinion. When I decided that I wanted a shoulder cam, I bought a DVC200 and added a nice Canon lens. This is what I use for jobs that require a certain "look" to the physical hardware or I need a long 19x reach and extremely sharp picture. On other projects, the DVX works nicely. And on others, my Sony VX2k works better.
As an example, just the other day... Totally, not a hired job...I was at my cousin's engagement party (crowded house)...Broke out the DVX100A and fiddled and fiddled with every setting to get proper exposure without adding a light or too much gain. The DVX just couldn't support this dim, unevenly lit house without supplemental light. In this case, I couldn't walk around with with my on cam light...At that point in time, I really wished I would have brought my VX2k. Another person just so happened to have theirs. There was quite a difference in the quality of the video shot that evening.
I guess my point. All cameras have their advantages. You just need to know when to use which one and understand your limitations. I am lucky to have 3 different cameras that all have their own advantage. If you do not have this luxury, then you have to make a decision on what fits most of your needs and budget. If the DVC60 does that, great. It is definitely the right tool for you.
Just some rambling thoughts from a very exhausted human (I hate mowing the yard when it's 100 degrees and air quality level RED)... :-[
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
skippyfetus
Carbonite Member
Re: New DVC60
24P is the main feature that it has over the DVC60 and this is not a critical feature for me at the present. I'm not a moron, I'd prefer the DVC60 right now because it would suit my work better.
24P is the main feature that it has over the DVC60 and this is not a critical feature for me at the present. I'm not a moron, I'd prefer the DVC60 right now because it would suit my work better.
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#44 date=07/17/04 at 10:48:20]
Excellent observation -- I think you're spot on there. The DVC60 will become today's AG455.
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Do you mean AG456? the AG456 S-VHS is bigger than the old VHS full size camcorders, but smaller than your typical full size ENG camera. If the DVC60 is that size, I'd be interested. But if it looks like the DV7 - that's closer to my Dad's 1988 model full VHS Panasonic cam, just slicker looking. I'm not so sure if that would command much respect.
Of course, none of us event videographers care how the video actually looks - we just want to look cool making it.
[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#44 date=07/17/04 at 10:48:20]
Excellent observation -- I think you're spot on there. The DVC60 will become today's AG455.
[/quote]
Do you mean AG456? the AG456 S-VHS is bigger than the old VHS full size camcorders, but smaller than your typical full size ENG camera. If the DVC60 is that size, I'd be interested. But if it looks like the DV7 - that's closer to my Dad's 1988 model full VHS Panasonic cam, just slicker looking. I'm not so sure if that would command much respect.
Of course, none of us event videographers care how the video actually looks - we just want to look cool making it.
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
So anyway, back to my point - does anyone know how big the DVC60 is going to be? The news release (WEVA) cited earlier in this thread did not give specifications. Any other links anyone has seen?
So anyway, back to my point - does anyone know how big the DVC60 is going to be? The news release (WEVA) cited earlier in this thread did not give specifications. Any other links anyone has seen?
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
I've actually contemplated getting a JVC GY-X3 which is a full size "stand back I'm the professional" type camcorder that sells online new for about $2000. It's three chip and may even be 1/2". The major drawback is SVHS. I saw an event videotaped by it and the VHS copy my brother-in-law had looked excellent. I've thought of getting a cheap 1 chip mini DV, clip it to my to belt and run an S video cord from the GY-X3 to the miniDV (and RCA audio cord) and capture direct to mini DV that way. Some cams are tiny and I wouldn't mind wearing one on my belt (like a ZR60). Otherwise, I'd go to SHS and have to transfer miniDV then the computer. I'd use that cam and my son would use the DVX from the other angle. Anyway, just a thought.
Stupid idea? Anyone have experience with that camera? It's cheap, 3CCD, and you don't get more professional looking than that (that is, for the layperson who doesn't know SVHS from Betacam etc. or bother to read the side of the camera - this thing is BIG - full of buttons, looks cool, comes with lens but is interchangeable).
I've actually contemplated getting a JVC GY-X3 which is a full size "stand back I'm the professional" type camcorder that sells online new for about $2000. It's three chip and may even be 1/2". The major drawback is SVHS. I saw an event videotaped by it and the VHS copy my brother-in-law had looked excellent. I've thought of getting a cheap 1 chip mini DV, clip it to my to belt and run an S video cord from the GY-X3 to the miniDV (and RCA audio cord) and capture direct to mini DV that way. Some cams are tiny and I wouldn't mind wearing one on my belt (like a ZR60). Otherwise, I'd go to SHS and have to transfer miniDV then the computer. I'd use that cam and my son would use the DVX from the other angle. Anyway, just a thought.
Stupid idea? Anyone have experience with that camera? It's cheap, 3CCD, and you don't get more professional looking than that (that is, for the layperson who doesn't know SVHS from Betacam etc. or bother to read the side of the camera - this thing is BIG - full of buttons, looks cool, comes with lens but is interchangeable).
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=AndrewD link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#46 date=07/20/04 at 12:38:36]
I I am lucky to have 3 different cameras that all have their own advantage. [/quote]
Andrew. I visited your site and viewed your wedding samples. Outstanding and professional! You mention in your information that you shoot with three professional cameras - so from your post above am I to conclude those are them - a DVX100, DVC200, and VX2000 or do you work with someone else and included his or her equipment in that desciption? Do they mix well when edited together? I didn't notice anything off in what you have online.
[quote author=AndrewD link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#46 date=07/20/04 at 12:38:36]
I I am lucky to have 3 different cameras that all have their own advantage. [/quote]
Andrew. I visited your site and viewed your wedding samples. Outstanding and professional! You mention in your information that you shoot with three professional cameras - so from your post above am I to conclude those are them - a DVX100, DVC200, and VX2000 or do you work with someone else and included his or her equipment in that desciption? Do they mix well when edited together? I didn't notice anything off in what you have online.
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
By the way, I'd LOVE a DVC200 for weddings. Too much $$$$ though.
By the way, I'd LOVE a DVC200 for weddings. Too much $$$$ though.
Re: New DVC60
From the looks of things, the DVC60 will be a little longer than the DVX and wider at the bottom. It's starting with a smaller camera (the DVC30) and just adding some flashy fenders.
Take a look at the handle -- it's a DVX handle and microphone. Extrapolate from there. It's not very big.
From the looks of things, the DVC60 will be a little longer than the DVX and wider at the bottom. It's starting with a smaller camera (the DVC30) and just adding some flashy fenders.
Take a look at the handle -- it's a DVX handle and microphone. Extrapolate from there. It's not very big.
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#51 date=07/21/04 at 16:07:08]
Andrew. I visited your site and viewed your wedding samples. Outstanding and professional! You mention in your information that you shoot with three professional cameras - so from your post above am I to conclude those are them - a DVX100, DVC200, and VX2000 or do you work with someone else and included his or her equipment in that desciption? Do they mix well when edited together? I didn't notice anything off in what you have online.[/quote]
First, thank you for the kind words. Actually, most all of the online samples are 2-3 years old and mainly shot with VX2000s. The band shoot was (2) DVC200's and (2) VX2000's. As far as editing together, they do cut fairly well, but I definitely have to do some tweaking. When mixing DVX footage, I usually use standard 60i. I do have another shooter that works with me on occasion, he has an additional DVC200 w/ Canon 19x lens and a PD-150. When the two of us work a job (depending on what type), we'll typically shoot with the DVC200's and either use the DVX and/or the Sony's for 3rd/4th/5th cams. Actually, the most I have used on a shoot was 4 (live concert shoot).
Thanks again!
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#51 date=07/21/04 at 16:07:08]
Andrew. I visited your site and viewed your wedding samples. Outstanding and professional! You mention in your information that you shoot with three professional cameras - so from your post above am I to conclude those are them - a DVX100, DVC200, and VX2000 or do you work with someone else and included his or her equipment in that desciption? Do they mix well when edited together? I didn't notice anything off in what you have online.[/quote]
First, thank you for the kind words. Actually, most all of the online samples are 2-3 years old and mainly shot with VX2000s. The band shoot was (2) DVC200's and (2) VX2000's. As far as editing together, they do cut fairly well, but I definitely have to do some tweaking. When mixing DVX footage, I usually use standard 60i. I do have another shooter that works with me on occasion, he has an additional DVC200 w/ Canon 19x lens and a PD-150. When the two of us work a job (depending on what type), we'll typically shoot with the DVC200's and either use the DVX and/or the Sony's for 3rd/4th/5th cams. Actually, the most I have used on a shoot was 4 (live concert shoot).
Thanks again!
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
Thanks for the information Andrew!
Thanks for the information Andrew!
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#50 date=07/21/04 at 15:36:52] It's three chip and may even be 1/2".[/quote]
I stand corrected. The GY-X3 is a 1/3 inch cam:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=129446&is=REG
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#50 date=07/21/04 at 15:36:52] It's three chip and may even be 1/2".[/quote]
I stand corrected. The GY-X3 is a 1/3 inch cam:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=129446&is=REG
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
Andrew, could you share with us (if you haven't already) how the picture quality of the DVX100 with its 1/3 inch CCDs stands up against the DVC200 with its 1/2 inch CCDs? As mentioned above, you routinely use both and edit them in together in multicamera shoots.
Andrew, could you share with us (if you haven't already) how the picture quality of the DVX100 with its 1/3 inch CCDs stands up against the DVC200 with its 1/2 inch CCDs? As mentioned above, you routinely use both and edit them in together in multicamera shoots.
Re: New DVC60
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#57 date=07/24/04 at 19:18:07]Andrew, could you share with us (if you haven't already) how the picture quality of the DVX100 with its 1/3 inch CCDs stands up against the DVC200 with its 1/2 inch CCDs? As mentioned above, you routinely use both and edit them in together in multicamera shoots.[/quote]
Sure.
Other than the obvious (DVC200 can only shoot 60i), the DVC200 is quite a bit sharper than the DVX and I am able to get a much shallower depth of field with the DVC. Some of this is attributed to the camera, but I really noticed an great improvement in these areas when I upgraded the stock lens to the Canon. Don't get me wrong, the DVX is quite sharp, but there is a noticeable difference when comparing the two side by side. Of course, the darn lens cost nearly as much as the DVX. I have yet to try mixing footage shot in 24P on the DVX and "converted" 24P footage from the DVC (DVFilmmaker tool). I am in hopes that they will intercut decently as there are some shots that could benefit from the Canon lens length and depth of field.
As far as coloring and camera controls, there are a lot of similarities within the menuing systems. They can be matched quite nice.
BTW: Although not as large as a betacam, the DVC200 feels like a tank and seems to be very well made. It feels MUCH more robust than the comparable JVC IMO. However, that's not a knock on the performance of the JVC, just build quality. My DVC200 has been working very well for over 2 years. I did have a hot pixel once that was fixed quickly by the kind people over at Armatos. But other than that, I have been pleased.
I havent had my DVX but a few months and really haven't used it nearly as much as I would have like to yet. Regardless, so far I am really happy with it as well. One thing that still throws me off is how the LCD appears (even when tweaked) compared to the actual shot footage. There has been many times where (in a dimly lit room) I thought the picture quality was going to be grainy and unusable, only to come back to my studio and see that it is quite usable (underexposed a bit, but fairly clean and nice color). I am not a fan of the gain on this camera though. It is quite noisy over +6db IMO. That is really not a big problem as I just try and light the environment correctly. If I can't, I'll shoot underexposed and correct as much as I can in post. Lit/exposed correctly, I find this camera (DVX100a) produces some of the nicest images I have seen from a DV camera. Coming from an audio engineering background, I also have become a big fan of the audio circuits on this camera. Very clean. SO MUCH better than the Sony units.
Hope this helps some!
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
[quote author=magicdavek link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=45#57 date=07/24/04 at 19:18:07]Andrew, could you share with us (if you haven't already) how the picture quality of the DVX100 with its 1/3 inch CCDs stands up against the DVC200 with its 1/2 inch CCDs? As mentioned above, you routinely use both and edit them in together in multicamera shoots.[/quote]
Sure.
Other than the obvious (DVC200 can only shoot 60i), the DVC200 is quite a bit sharper than the DVX and I am able to get a much shallower depth of field with the DVC. Some of this is attributed to the camera, but I really noticed an great improvement in these areas when I upgraded the stock lens to the Canon. Don't get me wrong, the DVX is quite sharp, but there is a noticeable difference when comparing the two side by side. Of course, the darn lens cost nearly as much as the DVX. I have yet to try mixing footage shot in 24P on the DVX and "converted" 24P footage from the DVC (DVFilmmaker tool). I am in hopes that they will intercut decently as there are some shots that could benefit from the Canon lens length and depth of field.
As far as coloring and camera controls, there are a lot of similarities within the menuing systems. They can be matched quite nice.
BTW: Although not as large as a betacam, the DVC200 feels like a tank and seems to be very well made. It feels MUCH more robust than the comparable JVC IMO. However, that's not a knock on the performance of the JVC, just build quality. My DVC200 has been working very well for over 2 years. I did have a hot pixel once that was fixed quickly by the kind people over at Armatos. But other than that, I have been pleased.
I havent had my DVX but a few months and really haven't used it nearly as much as I would have like to yet. Regardless, so far I am really happy with it as well. One thing that still throws me off is how the LCD appears (even when tweaked) compared to the actual shot footage. There has been many times where (in a dimly lit room) I thought the picture quality was going to be grainy and unusable, only to come back to my studio and see that it is quite usable (underexposed a bit, but fairly clean and nice color). I am not a fan of the gain on this camera though. It is quite noisy over +6db IMO. That is really not a big problem as I just try and light the environment correctly. If I can't, I'll shoot underexposed and correct as much as I can in post. Lit/exposed correctly, I find this camera (DVX100a) produces some of the nicest images I have seen from a DV camera. Coming from an audio engineering background, I also have become a big fan of the audio circuits on this camera. Very clean. SO MUCH better than the Sony units.
Hope this helps some!
Andrew
Crystal Clear Media
magicdavek
Well-known member
Re: New DVC60
Hey, thanks for the thorough response. Part of the reason I keep asking about the DVC200 is that I'm considering getting a full sized camera and that's the one I'd most like to get.
I just finished editing my first three camera shoot since getting my DVX100A in May. The contrast between the DVX and the two single chip cameras (one Sony, one Pansonic) was so striking. To think the DVC200 is sharper still - presumably a combination of lens and chip size.
Hey, thanks for the thorough response. Part of the reason I keep asking about the DVC200 is that I'm considering getting a full sized camera and that's the one I'd most like to get.
I just finished editing my first three camera shoot since getting my DVX100A in May. The contrast between the DVX and the two single chip cameras (one Sony, one Pansonic) was so striking. To think the DVC200 is sharper still - presumably a combination of lens and chip size.