New DVC60

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lol :) . i could see maybe stopping and looking for a while, but following me around would scare me a little. :P the worst is when people stop and try to talk to you as your shooting. people can just be so stupid. i was out shooting just yesterday, and on a sidewalk about 8 feet wide i was shooting the leg of the guy and the brick wall along one side.. we took up about 4 feet of the sidewalk. some guy walks right up to us, and seriously says "exuse me.. can i get through?" as if we were blocking his entire path.. and then shimmies sidways inbetween us.. now mind you theres only about 2 feet between the cam and the guy and wall. . i just stopped and shook my head.

.. but yeah tony, the magicam arm is adjustable for differnt weights. so i was going to say that when they ask you for your cam wight when you order,, you should figure in the accessories that will be on the cam or sled as well. , but oh well.. you can adjust it later if you hadnt done that. :)
 
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[quote author=iamloser link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=15#20 date=07/16/04 at 09:00:34]lol :) . i could see maybe stopping and looking for a while, but following me around would scare me a little.  [/quote]

In this particular case, I doubt it . . . ::)

She wasn't being scary or annoying, but she did keep peppering me with questions. She made the self-admitted mistake of buying a GL2 instead of the DVX.
 
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oh.. ha! i didnt realize that you were conversing with her.lol i thought she was just running from tree to tree behind you sort of thing.

your right though, i dont mind so much when people are friendly like that, as long as they realize im working, and know when to just back off.
 
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ahh... the beautiful people get all the attention!

studies have shown that it definelty doesnt hurt to be "hot". they get: better service, more respect, better job placement, more attention, ect..

although some side effects are: severe swelling of the head, fits of snottiness and childlike selfishness, vanity, and people objectifying and envying them.

..but we didnt need studies to tell us this.. i want to know who gets payed to conduct studies on the obvious like this , and who pays them..

whoever it is.. sign me up.
 
Re: New DVC60

Clearly the DVC60 is no DVX. But for me, the shoulder mount aspect would make it a good choice for a SECOND or third camera when shooting weddings, etc. (I always use at least three).

My question is the size. Is this a big camera, or a small shoulder type reminiscent of all of those (formerly ubiquitous) full size VHS consumer cams. If it looks like a dorky little old VHS camera, I'd feel funny showing up at a wedding with it and expect to get much respect.

Before the DVC7, Panasonic had a model (I think the number was DVC10 or DVC1 or DVC100) that was a three chip camera. The body was nearly identical to the DVC7 (the DVC7 is a cheaper, dummed down version of that other cam). It was on the market very briefly it seems.

Personally, I'd welcome a DVX100 housed in a body like the DVC200 shoulder cam. For event work, it would be great. I understand how it that size would not be good for the independent filmmaker, however.
 
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You know, the more I look at it, the less I dig it. It looks like a Frankenstein's monster of cameras, with the DVC7 mount and eyepiece, a DVX100/DVC80 handle and microphone, and the DVC30 front end sticking out.
 
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1. 2.5" screen .. Un viewable when mounted on shoulder. In your nose.
2. Viewfinder eyepiece not far enough from cam. Must hold head at un-natural angle to utilize.

these were ergonomic complaints of the DVC7 = Major design flaws... FYI

looks neato though.. huh? ;D
 
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Well, I haven't read the whole thread, but I had the DVX100, not 100A and the DVC60 has a few things that my camera doesn't have.

It has infrared, which can actually be very cool if you use it right.

It has 16:9 squeeze mode

It weighs 5.5 pounds which will probably be better on my Magiqcam that's coming

A 16x zoom range

It may or may not have more gamma settings

The body makes it MORE flexible. What can you do with the body of the DVX that you can't do with a slightly bigger body with a built in shoulder mount. I can tell you at least one thing you can do with the DVC60 that you can't do with the DVX.

The only things that suck about it are:

1/4" CCD's

No ND switch (it comes on automatically or you can select it from a menu), but hey the screw in kind aren't that expensive

No 24P, but I'm not making a film and I don't care to use 24P for current work. I couldn't use 24P for a lot of stuff anyways before because they didn't have any auto stuff in 24P model... on the regular 100.

No zoom ring. One of the reasons that I bought the DVX100 was the zoom ring, but when I tried to use it, I realized that there was no drag and it was king of like trying to pan and tilt on a walmart tripod. Completely unusable for anything while the camera is recording.

2.5" LCD. That kinda sucks, but it's not as bad as the XL2.
 
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I didn't say the the DVX isn't cool looking... and chicks probably do dig it. I actually have had someone ask me if I was from the news. However, you show up to a press conference with a DVX and they're going to laugh at you. I remember when I went to see F911, people were doing interviews as people came out of the theater and one guy had like a little canon ZR60 with a cheap wired microphone plugged into it and I couldn't help but laugh because it was just pathetic looking.

Unfortunately, size matters. A bigger camera looks more professional.
 
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I once had to do some work getting interviews all around town with a DSR-300 (just to look professional, I was shooting the dullest places of the city). Me and an assistant had to carry 2 lighting kit bags, the camera and a cartoni tripod made to tilt an oldsmobile. We shot about 3-4 long interviews a day, all around the city and if I was a little bit excited to work with a pro broadcast camera for the first time, it didn't take long before I was praying for a PD-150. With the smaller camera I would be able to move faster, so I would have more time to set up, I would be able to shoot from other angles I couldn't reach in the cramped sets. The video would have come out much better. Am I saying the PD-150 is better than the DSR? (Well I might say that to a client next time I'm shorthanded) no. Just that as every bit of equipment. There is a word called appropriate. So there are times (more often than not) that it's great to have the big-muscle-beautiful glass-cam. Some rare times a 1ccd miniDV will be actually better. And all the usual blablabla the DVX rocks...
 
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[quote author=Tony_H link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#30 date=07/16/04 at 15:53:37]I didn't say the the DVX isn't cool looking... and chicks probably do dig it. I actually have had someone ask me if I was from the news. However, you show up to a press conference with a DVX and they're going to laugh at you. I remember when I went to see F911, people were doing interviews as people came out of the theater and one guy had like a little canon ZR60 with a cheap wired microphone plugged into it and I couldn't help but laugh because it was just pathetic looking.

Unfortunately, size matters. A bigger camera looks more professional.[/quote]

Now, the ZR60 looks like a toy. And it pretty much is.

You can't compare the DVX to a ZR60. The DVX commands respect.

Going by the DVX handle, I don't think the DVC60 *is* bigger except along the bottom.
 
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One thing that we can all agree on is that the DVC60 is designed to look more professional than any of their prosumer cameras actually are.
 
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[quote author=Tony_H link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#33 date=07/16/04 at 19:22:04]One thing that we can all agree on is that the DVC60 is designed to look more professional than any of their prosumer cameras actually are.[/quote]

Well, no.  What's "professional"?  I think you're too hung up on looks over functionality.  The DVX is a very professional camera.  The consensus is that it's exceptionally-designed, and its form follows its function.  So how is its look any less "professional" unless by "professional" you simply mean "looks like my idea of a news field camera"?

By what you're saying, the DVC7 has a more "professional look" than the DVX or even the DVC60, but it's a crappy camera.  So, looks ain't everything.
 
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No David, I'm not hung up, I'm stoked about the looks of this camera. I was thinking about getting a DVC30 for it's near DVX functionality (and features that mine doesn't have) and lower price, but now there's a DVC30 in a shoulder mount body that actually looks like it should be at a news conference or mounted to a steadicam. I can understand your affection for your camera, but it's not professional looking at all. It just looks like a fancy toy for rich kids to play with... not a professional piece of equiptment.

Ok, the DVC7 is a toy designed to look like a real camera, but I tell you what. If I had to choose between that camera and another consumer level MiniDV camera, I'd be all over the DVC7. I know someone that uses that camera and I'm sure it helps with clients.
 
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Tony, I understand why you like the DVC60.  That's fine.  It suits your needs and go with it.  Not everyone needs the DVX, nor is it always the best choice for someone.

But, dude, the DVX doesn't look like a toy; it looks like a piece of very serious equipment.  I bring up examples on the street only because no one has ever thought my DVX was a toy.  Most have been very impressed and some even a little intimidated.  Even when I'm just tooling around, people think I'm on a serious shoot.  They just assume it.  

If you think it looks like a toy, then I guess that's what you think, but we certainly don't have to agree with you.  And the overwhelming consensus on the street doesn't seem to either.
 
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Tony does have a quite valid point -- in some avenues, the looks of the camera will definitely affect the client's perception. Clients who are paying for a job may not want to see their "hired pro" show up with a camera that looks like everyone else's handycam.

Basically I think this attitude dominates in the sub-$3000 wedding/event arena, where the clients are individuals. In corporate videography I've found two caliber of clients: those who don't know nor care what you shoot on (it just better look good or they ain't paying), and those who darn well do know what you're shooting on, and you'd better not try to pull the wool over their eyes by showing up with a DVC7 or DVC60. They want to see "Betacam" on it, by gum.

Bottom line is, if the camera has the features you want, and you prefer the shoulder-mount style, go for it. Like I said earlier, I think they'll sell truckloads of 'em to wedding videographers (interesting that the link to the DVC60 announcement comes off the WEVA page, don't you think?) It's not my cup of tea, I and my back both despise the big bulky shoulder-mounts with their 8-pound Anton Bauer bricks, but there's no denying that there's definitely a swath of the market who cares, and if Tony's finding his clients would prefer a shoulder-mount, there's really nothing to argue about, is there? Gotta give the client what they want.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=nws;num=1089933129;start=30#37 date=07/16/04 at 19:52:06]Tony does have a quite valid point -- in some avenues, the looks of the camera will definitely affect the client's perception.  Clients who are paying for a job may not want to see their "hired pro" show up with a camera that looks like everyone else's handycam. . . . and if Tony's finding his clients would prefer a shoulder-mount, there's really nothing to argue about, is there?  Gotta give the client what they want.[/quote]

I take no issue with that. Client happiness is paramount; thus, as I said, I understand why he's drawn to a shoulder-mount camera.

I *do* take issue with the DVX looking like a "toy" or not "at all" like a "professional piece of equipment" -- especially when compared to a ZR60.
 
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I will concede that if you've got the right accessories, the DVX *CAN* look more professional than the DVC60. Loose the hood, add a matte box, add a follow focus, and a shotgun mic with a big muff... then you'll look like a film maker.

Barry, that would be hilarious to see someone show up to a wedding with a DVC7 and get called out on it by the client. "What the **** is this? You're gonna film my wedding with that peice of ****?", lol!
 
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