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stefanocps

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hello i have just sold my xt3 as i want to upgrade some feature and possibily change the style of shooting

So, a part of the quality image, i want a good AF, a usable stabilizer and a good zoom range..something like run and gun i could say.

A camcorder like ax700 would be very close to what i want, but it is now quite olds and its technology must have been heavily surpassed from lots of gear..and for what it still costs i don't really feel like investing that much for such a kind of tool. But that is an example of the type of gear i would go for . Other newer camcorder have also lots of limitations, i don't talk of the 1" sensor that could still be ok, but about recording specs. Seems so hard to find one that record at 50/60 in 4k.

So i am looking to sony fx30 which seems to me more similar to a camcorder (i talk about the way it is used). Combined wih a 18 105 i can have also the desidered zoom always connected without the need of change lens. But to remain within the budget (under 2k euro) i must buy it in tdimension site, and it is a kind of risk in the case i would need a warranty... In that case i might have some problem..i think./never bought there)

SO i am asking some suggestion for alternatives within the budget i specified and with the feature i have described.

p.s. I can look also at 2nd hand market of course
hello i have just sold my xt3 as i want to upgrade some feature and possibily change the style of shooting

So, a part of the quality image, i want a good AF, a usable stabilizer and a good zoom range..something like run and gun i could say.

A camcorder like ax700 would be very close to what i want, but it is now quite olds and its technology must have been heavily surpassed from lots of gear..and for what it still costs i don't really feel like investing that much for such a kind of tool. But that is an example of the type of gear i would go for . Other newer camcorder have also lots of limitations, i don't talk of the 1" sensor that could still be ok, but about recording specs. Seems so hard to find one that record at 50/60 in 4k.

So i am looking to sony fx30 which seems to me more similar to a camcorder (i talk about the way it is used). Combined wih a 18 105 i can have also the desidered zoom always connected without the need of change lens. But to remain within the budget (under 2k euro) i must buy it in tdimension site, and it is a kind of risk in the case i would need a warranty... In that case i might have some problem..i think./never bought there)

SO i am asking some suggestion for alternatives within the budget i specified and with the feature i have described.
For now i have Fuji xs20(which has a worste af though) which i like for being smaller and sony a6700 because of very new technology

p.s. I can look also at 2nd hand market of course
 
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So the fx3 and the fx30 miss out one the greatest shooting upgrade of the decade. A rear EVF.

Many have missed that this is the most useful thing - see in the sun, no leads no batteries , nothing to snap off. wonderful.

Not useful for looking cool on instagram.. but great for shooting strong footage.

For reach there are even 24-200 lenses now.. this is something you never need to remove.

So I would say..

A mirrorless WITH an EVF good AF and 4k 10bit log.

That might be canon from R7-upwards (id not feel spending on the r5c is worth it)
or a Sony - I dont know sony models but they are all pretty good (except the horrid FX3 and FX30)

For sound the easy break off xlr box is better integrated with sony.

For more money the C70 r FX6 come into play.

If you are keeping it cheap EF lenses and a converter will bring best value.

Any removable lens camera you shoud get a 50 1.8 for night time art.

ND is pretty simple with a 24-105 (or other 'superzoom') as you just throw on a 3 stop solid when you are outside.

If you get 's35' you need of course to understand the lens range. 15 or 18-xx is most appropriate.
 
stefanocps said:
So i am looking to sony fx30 which seems to me more similar to a camcorder
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The FX30 is about as different from a camcorder (such as the AX700) as you could possibly get. They have virtually zero similarities.
First you need to figure out what TYPE of camera suits your needs best, then you can choose the most appropriate model from that category. But you are way off base if you think the FX30 and AX700 share any similarities whatsoever.
 
morgan_moore said:
... A rear EVF...

Many have missed that this is the most useful thing - see in the sun, no leads no batteries , nothing to snap off. wonderful.

...A mirrorless WITH an EVF good AF and 4k 10bit log...

That might be canon from R7-upwards (id not feel spending on the r5c is worth it)
or a Sony - I dont know sony models but they are all pretty good (except the horrid FX3 and FX30)
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Well said Sam. Completely agree. For certain jobs, my a7sIII shines for this very reason. (Someone just insisted I shoot run-n-gun b-roll with their BM pocket cam. Literally could not see that big lcd screen on a shady day - made me want to throw it at a tree within the first minute of use). In the Sony world, I'd go for any mirrorless with VF (A1 or A9, etc ) over those "cinema" cams without.
 
markfpv said:
In the Sony world, I'd go for any mirrorless with VF (A1 or A9, etc ) over those "cinema" cams without.
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I absolutely agree. That is exactly why I have an A1 instead of an FX3 or FX30. Having a beautiful built-in OLED EVF makes all the difference in the world.
If the A1 is too pricey for someone who just wants to shoot video (understandable), any of the lower-priced A7 cameras would be a great choice over the FX30 or FX3.
However, to equate any of the mirrorless cameras with a camcorder is a big mistake. A camera like the AX700 has simpler menus, built-in ND filters, a more flexible EVF, better peaking and zebras, XLR audio, better ergonomics for video, and a built-in zoom range that would be very hard, if not impossible, to match with a mirrorless camera unless you carried around 2-3 lenses and always have the time to swap them in the heat of the moment.

Of course, the mirrorless cameras have their own set of advantages over the camcorders, such as shallow DoF, ability to shoot stills, and great low-light performance. I'm not saying that mirrorless cameras are better or worse than camcorders -- or vice versa. They are clearly totally different animals for different kinds of customers and shooting situations.
 
stefanocps said:
At this point i can say that one of the new camera is better because it has.new technology, and ax700 cannot compete with them. I would take of different animals if compare same age technology, no stone age and modern age!And for not comparable price!
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Which small camcorder, in the same price range, do you think outperforms the AX700 / NX80 / Z90? Please name it and show some comparison footage. If it exists, I am not aware of it.
 
stefanocps said:
There is none (that is why i say ax700) that is the problem.No new camcorder are built since. Taka a mirrorless produced in 2016 amd.compare to one produce now...difference will be quite.big. But camcorder are.no more build...
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Camcorder technology is already mature so there won't be very many groundbreaking advancements now or in the future. Just incremental changes. Sure, someday we'll get better OLED viewfinders, higher frame rates, touch-tracking AF, etc., but that doesn't really change what we can shoot or how we will use them. If an AX700 doesn't meet your needs today then I doubt that an AX700 Mark2 a couple of years from now will suit your needs either.

It's ironic that people used to complain new cameras were coming out too quickly. Now people complain they aren't coming fast enough. The manufacturers can't win. :)
 
stefanocps said:
A new one will have a 2023 af.and stabilization instead of 2016.There is difference
Also might have 50p, and a lots pf codec option plus better color depth.Technology has changed a lot, ax700 wasn t 0 years ahead in 2016.There is plenty of beyyer or newer feature that a new ax700 could have in 2023
Comeon is technology. Ax700 is stone age.Of course is a good machine, but good for what 2016 was good
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Be sure to let us know when that new camera comes to market. :) Until then, there's thousands of stone age camcorders still earning great money for their owners and producing valuable content.
 
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stefanocps said:
Valuable content can be produced with a gh3 or many other stone age tool this is not the point.The reason of advance in tech is not because you can produce more money.And i say again:for being so old ax700 should cost less than the half...then it coukd compete with an fx30 or a s5 ii or whatever
the only reason why there isn t a newer ax700 is because this market is kind of abandoned
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I'm not privy to Sony's sales numbers, but I guess you must be. So, how many AX700 / NX80 / Z90 camcorders is Sony selling now compared to 5 years ago? If sales have dropped, and you can prove it, have you considered that maybe everyone who needed one already bought one? And \how many of those owners do you think will toss away their stone age camera in favor of a newer model just because it has slightly better specifications? I guess maybe the same type of people who buy a new car, computer, or phone every year when new models are announced?

In my experience, the person who buys a camcorder is a different type of person than the typical buyer of a mirrorless camera. Two totally different markets.
 
Doug Jensen said:
That's bad advice. If the only thing that matters is ease-of-use, then the only camera anyone would ever need is their phone.
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Of course.. but I think image uality os over rated vs things .. ND, and and good ergonomicss.. actually been on a job with a Red and Blacktragic 'pocket' today and certainly these 'beasts' are not so happy as my R6 and 24-70

Its about understand your 'need' and way of working. I become less interested in big cameras on shoots that dont have a camera department.

I have a project where im suggesting the client uses thier phone and doesnt commission me!

It all have value.. the Red film will look good in the 'cine' genre but Im using my phone osmo and r6 to do interesting stuff (some would say!) and the low wall to getting these camras out of the bag has great value.

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