Need help with HD Burning

I own two Toshiba HD DVD players. When I shoot video (always HD) I make both formats. I export an mpeg-2 at 18mbps and send that to DVD studio pro, where I change the DVD standard to HD DVD. This allows me to fit roughly 30 minutes of HD footage on single layer DVD that is viewable on Apple computers (with DVD player app) and any Toshiba, Onkyo or Xbox 360 HD add on drive. I also export an Apple ProRes file and send it to toast to convert to an AVCHD disc for my blu-ray players.
While HD DVD is a dead format, there are still people (like myself) who have HD DVD players and can continue to use them to watch videos in HD, even if it is on a single layer disc.
 
Yeah but um- wouldn't it be just as easy- actually way easier to connect your HD TV to your computer DVI-HDMI and sell off the HD-DVD while it's still worth a few bucks. Well probably too late there too...

Noah
 
There are much less people who own HD DVD players than those who own BD players. And in future the proportion will only favor BD format. As to playback on a computer or a gaming console, come on. You can have the same as "HD DVD Lite" in form of AVCHD disc. Same red laser DVD media, up to 18 Mbit/s bitrate. AFAIK, HD DVD does not limit bitrate to 18 Mbit/s, but I have an HD DVD player too (great deal it was, just a hundred bucks, will sell for half the price), and at 25 Mbit/s (HDV-sourced MPEG-2) it stutters, the playback is simply unreliable.

I turn my HD DVD only to re-watch Blade Runner. I think I am going to bite the bullet and buy a BD version, my wife cannot stand four players stacked under my TV.
 
My obsolete HD-DVD player is still used as a great up-converting player for all my standard disks. And I also have to keep it around for my Blade Runner box set. (Cranky - :beer: )
 
In comparing blu ray encodes played on our Panasonic blu ray player to HD DVD encodes and played on our Toshiba HD DVD A-1, everybody like the HD DVD encodes better.

It's subjective, but the HD DVD stuff looks better to us.

To me, it's a VHS Betamax thing.
 
David S. said:
In comparing blu ray encodes played on our Panasonic blu ray player to HD DVD encodes and played on our Toshiba HD DVD A-1, everybody like the HD DVD encodes better.

It's subjective, but the HD DVD stuff looks better to us.

To me, it's a VHS Betamax thing.
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Now that makes perfect sense- Betamax looked better than VHS but it lost too...

Noah
 
I've got both too (a PS3 and a Toshiba A-2), and sometimes feel the HDDVD looks better as well. I've never compared the same titles though, so that impression is *highly* subjective. But others have stated the same elsewhere. On paper Blu-ray has it all over HDDVD for capacity (which in many cases should equate to quality), and I believe the codec is more robust too, so it's a bit of a mystery why some of us find HDDVD to look better. A moot point though of course, seeing as how HDDVD has been defunct for new titles or machines for quite some time now.

Ok...sorry for the OT...
 
Ted Spencer said:
On paper Blu-ray has it all over HDDVD for capacity (which in many cases should equate to quality), and I believe the codec is more robust too, so it's a bit of a mystery why some of us find HDDVD to look better.
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BD and HD DVD used the same three codecs (MPEG2, VC-1, and AVC), but BD had the advantage of higher capacity and higher max bitrate. The formats were very interchangeable as far as picture/audio quality... it completely came down to source quality and encoding (BD and HD discs of the same movie usually had the exact same encodes on the disc).

I feel like I've hopped in my time machine and jump back two years with this thread haha :thumbsup:
 
Cranky said:
50 minutes at 12 Mbit/s. Considering that DirecTV and Dish and many cablecos, oh and now BBC, use only about 10 Mbit/s for HD, such a disk will be as good or better as broadcast HD.
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What about burning ACVHD files to DVD9? I have dual burner in my G4. I have a burner that can do DVD9. So if I burn ACVHD to DVD9 at 12 Mbit/s it would be possible to get a 100 minute DVD right? And is there a label for this, like instead of "BluRay-Disc" it would be labeled "ACVHD DVD"

-Nate
 
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bigbossbmb said:
BD and HD DVD used the same three codecs (MPEG2, VC-1, and AVC), but BD had the advantage of higher capacity and higher max bitrate. The formats were very interchangeable as far as picture/audio quality... it completely came down to source quality and encoding (BD and HD discs of the same movie usually had the exact same encodes on the disc).
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That may be true, but my testing was using exactly the same test footage, derived from a HPX300 and HPX170, and the same h.264 settings for encoding.

HD DVD looked better than blu ray. Go figure, and it doesn't matter now.
 
Nathyn said:
What about burning ACVHD files to DVD9? I have dual burner in my G4. I have a burner that can do DVD9. So if I burn ACVHD to DVD9 at 12 Mbit/s it would be possible to get a 100 minute DVD right? And is there a label for this, like instead of "BluRay-Disc" it would be labeled "ACVHD DVD"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Variants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#AVCHD_as_a_distribution_format

You can calculate the duration using the formula duration = capacity/bitrate. Considering the capacity of DVD9 being 7.95GiB, you will have the following for 12 Mbit/s:

Capacity in Mebibits: 7.95 * 1000 * 8 = 63600
Duration in munutes: 63600 / 12 / 60 = 88

With 10 Mbit/s bitrate the duration in minutes will be: 63600 / 10 / 60 = 106

It is not "AVCHD DVD", it is "AVCHD disc", which implies usage of DVD media. If you use BD media, it is a "Blu-ray disc" (BDMV, BD-ROM, whatever).
 
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