My thoughts on the AF100 after 1.5 days

tacotim

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Thoughts on the AF100



Overall, it feels absolutely frick'n fantastic to be shooting with a video camera again. I think I never want to pick up a DSLR for video again. Having a moveable viewfinder is priceless, The flip out monitor is beautiful and in conjunction with the focus in red, is easy to use for critical focus.
Audio, Duh. Feels like I'm back on the HVX, audio controls and inputs are straightforward and require no workarounds.
1080 Variable Frame Rates. In a word, stunning. Goodbye 720.
Push button waveform monitor. Awesome.
Slow shutter during time-lapse (up to 1/2 sec), thank you.
The four thirds chip feels like a great middle ground in terms of depth of field control. If you need shallow, open up your stop, crank the neutral density wheel and you've got it. Need deep focus for more uncontrolled situations? Crank the ND wheel to 0 and stop down. Compared to the 5D where I was always unsure if I was focused or not, particularly on a wide lens where the fall off is not as obvious. With this camera, I will never feel that way again. Also the ND wheel is something I will never take for granted. It's so fast and easy, this will be a HUGE timesaver.
One surprise was that the autofocus with the Lumix 14-140 lens is actually quite useable! I had no intentions of ever using it, but when testing it out, I thought it performed quite admirably and I'm now sure I'll find myself using the manual mode with pushbutton auto quite often. One slight bummer is that auto focus for some reason cannot be used if you have VFR turned on.
Another nice surprise was the function knob. It's main use is to move a box on the viewfinder to set where you want autofocus and auto iris to take readings from, but the nice surprise is that you can use it to adjust the whitebalance in kelvin. Just set the whitebalance switch to preset, toggle from 32, 56, to VAR. Then the function knob can be used to adjust it manually! Very cool, I'd love to see the use of the function knob expand to allow other things like switching scene files without going into the menu.
The image itself is fantastic in my eyes. It's not noise free, but it has that panasonic "mojo" look. It's not crispy clean like the sony's, it's got some character to it, and that's a positive in my book. I'm not looking to eliminate every tiny bit of noise, to me it's just texture and character. I wasn't afraid of grain in the film days, and I still prefer an image with a bit of character, I'll take this over the plastic look of grain free images. That being said, I think the 3200 ISO on this camera is very clean for the sensitivity it gives.
Another positive is the wide range of tweakable settings in the menu to dial in the look you want. If the small amount of noise the camera generates bothers you, you can dial it out. See editman's tests at http://theeditman.com/blogg/2011/01/01/PanasonicAF101NoiseTest.aspx.

There is one big drawback and a few minor ones that I want to mention after using the camera for a day and a half.

First up, the big one. Perhaps this won't matter to other folks, but to me it's a MAJOR problem. When VFR (variable frame rate) mode is on, no audio is recorded. That's not a major surprise. BUT AUDIO METERS AND HEADPHONE AUDIO ARE ACTIVE WHEN RECORDING IN VFR, BUT NO AUDIO WILL BE RECORDED, EVEN IF YOUR FRAME RATE IS SET TO 24.
In other words, if you have VFR on, frame rate is set to 24, you start recording, you will hear audio in your headphones, the audio meters will be responding to audio, but when you stop recording and play back the shot, there will be no audio. YOU MUST TURN VFR OFF TO RECORD AUDIO. That's gonna catch a few people.

The minor problems are more just growing pains on my end. The main one is that I really really miss the scene file dial. That thing was a piece of engineering genius. It made it so easy and fast to switch frame rates. It seems like they traded it on the AF100 for the shutter/frame rate wheel. I can get use to it, but I'll always have a place in my heart for the scene file dial.
Another bummer is that you only have 3 sensitivities to choose from at one time. You have to go to the menu to set the sensitivities you want to use as high, medium and low. It would be nice to have it work like the whitebalance does where you can use the function knob to set it manually.
Another minor complaint is that the time-lapse mode only allows intervals of 1 sec, 10 sec, 1 min, 2 min. It would be nice to have more options between 1 and 10. Also, once you turn interval recording on in the menu, it only lasts for one shot then turns itself off. It would be nice to have it remain on until you turn it off.

Overall, I'm super happy. As a documentary/ sports shooter, I am so stoked to be moving on from the SLR world back to a video camera that feels like the right tool for the job. Thanks to Jan and Panasonic for taking this step into the large sensor video cam world.

All the best, Tim
 
Thanks for your thoughts. Mine gets here Monday so I've been reading other people's reviews in the meantime :) I agree on the 3 gain levels as well, hopefully in the future they will export a method to dial through the gain/ISO for those of us that really enjoyed the fine control of the DSLR methods. I was sure to pass that on to Panasonic as a future feature request.
 
None of Panasonic's camera's record audio during VFR.

My complaint is not that it doesn't record audio during VFR, my complaint is that the audio meters and audio to the headphones are still active during VFR.
On the HVX if you switched to an off base frame rate the audio to the headphones and meters got cut, so you knew you were in an off frame rate.
With the AF100 it would be easy to forget you are shooting slow or fast motion, because the audio continues to monitor.
 
thanks for these notes. nice to hear some insight into the practical use of the camera. dying here, waiting for mine to arrive. and that 24fps/VFR gotcha is a great note. I'm sure it would have nailed me.
 
thanks for these notes. nice to hear some insight into the practical use of the camera. dying here, waiting for mine to arrive. and that 24fps/VFR gotcha is a great note. I'm sure it would have nailed me.

Me too :) It's probably within 2 hours driving of where I am. Can't get here fast enough.
 
Glad to hear about the ease with which the Kelvin setting can be chosen. As for the ISO choices via GAIN settings, after reading through the manual I was afraid that was going to be the case. Ah well. Good to know for sure. Thanks for the info!
 
Thoughts on the AF100



Overall, it feels absolutely frick'n fantastic to be shooting with a video camera again. I think I never want to pick up a DSLR for video again. Having a moveable viewfinder is priceless, The flip out monitor is beautiful and in conjunction with the focus in red, is easy to use for critical focus.
Audio, Duh. Feels like I'm back on the HVX, audio controls and inputs are straightforward and require no workarounds.
1080 Variable Frame Rates. In a word, stunning. Goodbye 720.
Push button waveform monitor. Awesome.
Slow shutter during time-lapse (up to 1/2 sec), thank you.
The four thirds chip feels like a great middle ground in terms of depth of field control. If you need shallow, open up your stop, crank the neutral density wheel and you've got it. Need deep focus for more uncontrolled situations? Crank the ND wheel to 0 and stop down. Compared to the 5D where I was always unsure if I was focused or not, particularly on a wide lens where the fall off is not as obvious. With this camera, I will never feel that way again. Also the ND wheel is something I will never take for granted. It's so fast and easy, this will be a HUGE timesaver.
One surprise was that the autofocus with the Lumix 14-140 lens is actually quite useable! I had no intentions of ever using it, but when testing it out, I thought it performed quite admirably and I'm now sure I'll find myself using the manual mode with pushbutton auto quite often. One slight bummer is that auto focus for some reason cannot be used if you have VFR turned on.
Another nice surprise was the function knob. It's main use is to move a box on the viewfinder to set where you want autofocus and auto iris to take readings from, but the nice surprise is that you can use it to adjust the whitebalance in kelvin. Just set the whitebalance switch to preset, toggle from 32, 56, to VAR. Then the function knob can be used to adjust it manually! Very cool, I'd love to see the use of the function knob expand to allow other things like switching scene files without going into the menu.
The image itself is fantastic in my eyes. It's not noise free, but it has that panasonic "mojo" look. It's not crispy clean like the sony's, it's got some character to it, and that's a positive in my book. I'm not looking to eliminate every tiny bit of noise, to me it's just texture and character. I wasn't afraid of grain in the film days, and I still prefer an image with a bit of character, I'll take this over the plastic look of grain free images. That being said, I think the 3200 ISO on this camera is very clean for the sensitivity it gives.
Another positive is the wide range of tweakable settings in the menu to dial in the look you want. If the small amount of noise the camera generates bothers you, you can dial it out. See editman's tests at http://theeditman.com/blogg/2011/01/01/PanasonicAF101NoiseTest.aspx.

There is one big drawback and a few minor ones that I want to mention after using the camera for a day and a half.

First up, the big one. Perhaps this won't matter to other folks, but to me it's a MAJOR problem. When VFR (variable frame rate) mode is on, no audio is recorded. That's not a major surprise. BUT AUDIO METERS AND HEADPHONE AUDIO ARE ACTIVE WHEN RECORDING IN VFR, BUT NO AUDIO WILL BE RECORDED, EVEN IF YOUR FRAME RATE IS SET TO 24.
In other words, if you have VFR on, frame rate is set to 24, you start recording, you will hear audio in your headphones, the audio meters will be responding to audio, but when you stop recording and play back the shot, there will be no audio. YOU MUST TURN VFR OFF TO RECORD AUDIO. That's gonna catch a few people.

The minor problems are more just growing pains on my end. The main one is that I really really miss the scene file dial. That thing was a piece of engineering genius. It made it so easy and fast to switch frame rates. It seems like they traded it on the AF100 for the shutter/frame rate wheel. I can get use to it, but I'll always have a place in my heart for the scene file dial.
Another bummer is that you only have 3 sensitivities to choose from at one time. You have to go to the menu to set the sensitivities you want to use as high, medium and low. It would be nice to have it work like the whitebalance does where you can use the function knob to set it manually.
Another minor complaint is that the time-lapse mode only allows intervals of 1 sec, 10 sec, 1 min, 2 min. It would be nice to have more options between 1 and 10. Also, once you turn interval recording on in the menu, it only lasts for one shot then turns itself off. It would be nice to have it remain on until you turn it off.

Overall, I'm super happy. As a documentary/ sports shooter, I am so stoked to be moving on from the SLR world back to a video camera that feels like the right tool for the job. Thanks to Jan and Panasonic for taking this step into the large sensor video cam world.

All the best, Tim

Agreed with everything you said.

Very disappointed to hear that the audio meters are still active in the production model during VFR. That's one thing that I begged/demanded/asked/ordered that they disable, for precisely this reason. The preproduction models are this way, but I haven't seen a final version so I didn't know if they'd rectified that or not.

The HVX, when in VFR mode, would shut off the headphones and the audio meters when it wasn't able to record audio. The AF100 doesn't; it still shows meters and passes the audio through the headphones in VFR, even though it's not recording it. And, on the HVX, if you were at the same frame rate (in VFR mode) as your recording timebase, it would record audio -- so 24fps in 720/24pN, no problem, audio gets recorded. In the AF100, it's not that way. Even if you record 24fps in 24p, no audio will be recorded when that VFR menu item is set to "ON".

I was really hoping that they would fix this for the released version. Really, really hoping that. Sad to see it wasn't taken seriously enough by them.

So, yes, spread the word -- do NOT enable VFR when you're recording audio. Make sure that menu item stays set to OFF.
 
Agreed with everything you said.

Very disappointed to hear that the audio meters are still active in the production model during VFR. That's one thing that I begged/demanded/asked/ordered that they disable, for precisely this reason. The preproduction models are this way, but I haven't seen a final version so I didn't know if they'd rectified that or not.

The HVX, when in VFR mode, would shut off the headphones and the audio meters when it wasn't able to record audio. The AF100 doesn't; it still shows meters and passes the audio through the headphones in VFR, even though it's not recording it. And, on the HVX, if you were at the same frame rate (in VFR mode) as your recording timebase, it would record audio -- so 24fps in 720/24pN, no problem, audio gets recorded. In the AF100, it's not that way. Even if you record 24fps in 24p, no audio will be recorded when that VFR menu item is set to "ON".

I was really hoping that they would fix this for the released version. Really, really hoping that. Sad to see it wasn't taken seriously enough by them.

So, yes, spread the word -- do NOT enable VFR when you're recording audio. Make sure that menu item stays set to OFF.


yep, i'm predicting a common question on the forum will be "i heard the audio when i shot it but there's no audio!" Oh well, maybe a future firmware fix?
By the way Barry, i sent my card out for your book on thursday, looking forward to getting it!

-tim
 
Yeah, I would imagine this would be easy enough to fix with a firmware update.

Thanks for your thoughts on this camera, tacotim
 
Does the camera still pass sound via SDI or even the RCA's during VFR recording? It could be useful to have audio via nanoflash, KiPro Mini etc.

Some of us want to turn the VFR into actual 'live video' 1080 60p...just for ***** and grins.
 
Question: So in 1080/60p, is that considered VFR? Or is that just a "set" frame rate. On the HMC150 and 7D I record in 60p all the time, do the Cinema Tools conform, then edit it there. In both of these cameras it records audio and I can speed it up to 252% to get the clip back to normal speed. So, all that to say, when recording in 1080/60p on the AF, can I record sound?

Thanks!
 
Great review Tim!

Question: So in 1080/60p, is that considered VFR? Or is that just a "set" frame rate. On the HMC150 and 7D I record in 60p all the time, do the Cinema Tools conform, then edit it there. In both of these cameras it records audio and I can speed it up to 252% to get the clip back to normal speed. So, all that to say, when recording in 1080/60p on the AF, can I record sound?

This is a good question, and important distinction. The AF100 does not record in 1080 60p, it records in 1080 24p , 30p, or 60i (25/50i too). In 24p and 30p VFR can be turned on to over-cranked to 60p. If it did record in 1080 60p then you would probably get audio, but 1080 60p is not a broadcast standard, and really can only be found in a handful of camera. In 720 is will record 60P, and you will get audio all the time.
 
When you record VFR the camera/editor plays them back in slow motion (or fast motion) like on the EX-1 (and I assume the HVX), right? You don't have to conform these in Cinema Tools like you do with 7D 60p footage, right?
 
yes thank you for writing this - was super useful to figure out how to change the White balance! Now how do we change the name of the file names?
 
Great review Tim!



This is a good question, and important distinction. The AF100 does not record in 1080 60p, it records in 1080 24p , 30p, or 60i (25/50i too). In 24p and 30p VFR can be turned on to over-cranked to 60p. If it did record in 1080 60p then you would probably get audio, but 1080 60p is not a broadcast standard, and really can only be found in a handful of camera. In 720 is will record 60P, and you will get audio all the time.

Ok, does this mean that it's possible to record to the nano flash the VFR video at 24p? I know 1080 60p cant be recorded via hd-sdi due to bandwidth limitation, but is there a way to get this signal sent out directly to the nano for proper slo-mo?
 
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