My enthusiasm for Adobe products has taking a big nose dive...

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j1clark@ucsd.edu

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No, I'm not even thinking about setup up with Final Cut X...

But what started out with Premiere issuing a 'serious error' message, has ended up with not being able to install updates for various packages such as After Effects 11.0.0 to 11.0.2, similar for Photoshop and a number of lesser known packages...

In fact here's the list at the moment.
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Photoshop 13.1.2 for Creative Cloud
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Adobe SpeedGrade CS6 6.0.4 Update
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Adobe After Effects CS6 11.0.2 Update
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Photoshop Camera Raw 7.3
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Extension Manager 6.0.5 Update
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Adobe Bridge CS6 5.0.2 Update
Installation failed. Error Code: U44M1P7

Of course eventually my problems lead me to a morning long chat with Adobe Customer support, the last item of business was the 'direction' to 'throw away my copy of Adobe Extension Manager CS6', and 'reinstall' with the '6.0.4' full installation... and have that install lead to 'System Requirements' error... The chat representative then said to the effect there was a 'bug report', wasn't clear on whether it's on the 'install issue' or the 'can't install the Extension Manager'...

I'm running 10.8.2... on my Mac Book Pro of August 2012 vintage...

The final words of wisdom from the support person was... 'Maybe this problem will be fixed in CS7, then again maybe not'...

Ever so helpful...

The irony is that I have AE updated to 11.0.2 on my aging 17" MBP backup machine, with Mac OS X 10.6.8.

Oh, yeah, as for the original Premiere problem... after uninstalling the entire CS6 suite, and reinstalling... and happy happenstance, the update was successful, my 'serious error' is not longer an issue.
 
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Chris Adler said:
It seems the Mac version is far less stable than on Windows. I've never run into any issues at all.
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In the past relative to starting with Photoshop 2.5 on the Mac, the PC platforms I've used have had many problems. Since I've not used Adobe on a Windows platform for many years, perhaps things have gotten more stable from both the Windows and the Adobe side.

But this seems to be the first really big issue I've had. It would not have been as much a problem is the manual install got around any advanced 'application management' widgetry... But there doesn't seem to be any way to avoid it in the current set of applications.
 
j1clark@ucsd.edu said:
In the past relative to starting with Photoshop 2.5 on the Mac, the PC platforms I've used have had many problems. Since I've not used Adobe on a Windows platform for many years, perhaps things have gotten more stable from both the Windows and the Adobe side.
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Definitely.

My CS6 screams on my PC and is rock solid.
 
I have to agree with mcgeedigital. I had a chat with one of the members of the CS6 development team, he was saying that when Apple trhew a curve ball with FCPro& and FCPx, they had to do a lot a re-coding to CS6 for mac , it was a total nightmare, But their goal was not to change much to the base of CS6 Ppro, but work on stablty , bugs and issuse.
 
Premiere CS6 running on a Mac is the worst editing experience of my life. I would rather use a razor blade and glue than run the horrible program again. Adobe should be ashamed of themselves for selling this product.
 
Premiere CS6 running on a Mac is the worst editing experience of my life.
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I always thought it as a big mistake when Adobe decided to port Premiere back for the Mac.

Feel sorry for any 3rd party programmer attempting to work with Apple.


MAC OS is like a contantly shifting target and impossible to hit. No back ward compatibilty.!
Many MAC colleagues have complained over the years that every time MAC updates the OS ...they have hadd to go and update their apps. eg Photoshop.

I would not advise any MAc user to go the Premiere route at all. I frequently advise them to stick with FCP7.
Dont understand why they even think about changing from what they say works perfectly

However...CS6 on my Windows system is rock solid.
 
FYI: Sony is in the process of porting Vegas Pro to the Mac ( like they recently did with their Sound Forge audio editor ), and I wonder how this will turn out?
 
I have cs5.5 on both mac and windows, runs much better on the windows machine. it's useable on the mac, but it's slow, very very slow.
 
As much as I don't want to turn this into a Mac vs PC discussion, I'm going to chime in and agree with Adobe products often running better on the Windows platform, and add that my days of being a Mac fanboy are long behind me. Once upon a time (back in the PowerPC days of the 1990s), Apple's architecture was a superior performer for graphic applications. Unfortunately, those days are over, as they not only use the exact same architecture as PCs, they actually limit development and make it difficult for companies like Adobe to write software.

Photoshop CS4, for example, was supposed to be 64 bit on all platforms. But Apple decided to pull 64-bit support from Carbon, the development environment that Photoshop had been written in. The reason? Apple wanted to push developers to switch to their new environment, called Mocha. So, Adobe had to scrap plans for CS4 64 bit, and start Photoshop coding from scratch in Mocha. The end result? Graphic design houses back in '07 that had invested heavily in Mac Pros with 8GB of RAM found that in order to utilize more than 4GB at a time, they had to boot into Vista 64 (::shudder::). Yep- Photoshop ran better on PC than Mac, and still often does (hardware acceleration, etc).

That's just one example, but unfortunately this has become par for the course between Adobe and Apple. Meanwhile, the PC side of things for Adobe seems to have gotten much more polished and solid, likely because there aren't as many hurdles to jump through. It just works!

I know it's not the sexy choice, but between stuff like this and the exponentially higher price of hardware, I just can't recommend a Mac unless you are planning to use FCP. And that's only because FCP isn't available on anything else.

TheDingo said:
FYI: Sony is in the process of porting Vegas Pro to the Mac ( like they recently did with their Sound Forge audio editor ), and I wonder how this will turn out?
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That.... is news to me! Wow, I'm a closet fan of Vegas actually. Still the fastest turn-around of any editor I ever use.

Jim Simon said:
However, it is VERY advisable to switch back to Windows, whether or not they also switch to Adobe.
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Well, that's a whole 'nother discussion.
 
J Davis said:
It would be great to see adobe support linux
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Poor Adobe Programs , now you want them to contend with Linux , have a heart they just getting the hang of getting all the Programs to work and be bug free on PC and still struggling to get there products to work on Mac, now you want it on Linux .......... LOLOLOL
 
After using Macs for over 20 years, I shifted over to a Windows production environment and in the process moving my NLE from FCP to Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and then CS 6.x on Windows 7. Premiere Pro has been an absolute treat. Photoshop and Illustrator run well. Only issue was decades of muscle memory. Got over that within a few months.

Encoding is silly fast, Resolve for Windows runs perfectly and my electricity bill went down $20 a month even with 2 high end CUDA based video cards. Things ran well on my Mac except, they refused for years to move to a modern processor in their desktops. I had to move; couldn't wait anymore.
 
Oh, Jim, how we disagree.

I've got both and the windows box is almost always turned off now, or used purely as a storage server on the network.

The biggest stability issues I've seen with Premiere Pro on the Mac are actually caused by *third party* display drivers (NVidia) and not Adobe code. Once NVidia updated their drivers (without any changes from Adobe) things got pretty stable (and I noticed it crashed less than Windows).

If Sony really are porting Vegas it will be interesting to see what happens in the market. FCPX is really starting to gain traction now and while there is still so much miss information around, based purely on it's initial release, the recent versions have actually become serious tools and we're saving several hours on projects over using Premiere Pro on ether Mac OR Windows.

Now, that's not to say that Adobe doesn't have *some* advantages, it certainly does, but it's no longer the only (supported) game in town for Mac users (Avid is too expensive and old hat for many).
 
This thread comes as a shock to me. I've been editing on Premiere on a Mac for more than a year now (CS5.5+) and haven't experienced any issues. I also cut on a home PC from time to time and haven't seen anything pop up there, either, aside from a bug that wouldn't let me import a project file. The fix was relatively easy.

Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
Movie_Dude_3 said:
This thread comes as a shock to me. I've been editing on Premiere on a Mac for more than a year now (CS5.5+) and haven't experienced any issues. I also cut on a home PC from time to time and haven't seen anything pop up there, either, aside from a bug that wouldn't let me import a project file. The fix was relatively easy.

Maybe I'm just lucky.
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Haha- I know, reading this thread makes it sound like the Mac version is riddled with bugs!

No cause for alarm. It isn't.
But like all things tech, put it through enough paces and something is bound to go wrong eventually. The question is, how do you handle it when it does, and is it relatively easy to recover from?

I know the mac version has gone through more hurdles than the PC one, so I'm not as surprised when I hear things like this come up. The point is, Adobe isn't necessarily the one to blame.
 
GavinAbe said:
Poor Adobe Programs , now you want them to contend with Linux , have a heart they just getting the hang of getting all the Programs to work and be bug free on PC and still struggling to get there products to work on Mac, now you want it on Linux .......... LOLOLOL
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thats your response? really?

the curse of the PC is windows
 
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