my dvd disc doesn't play progressive when it is...

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Maybe someone can help me with this one:

All material PAL 25P.
I export from xpress pro 4.0 a quicktime reference movie. Then I encode it with Canopus Procoder, settings 16:9, progressive for in and output. Then I make the dvd in Adobe Encore dvd and burn it from there.

But when I play the dvd disc on a progressive dvd-player/screen, then de motion looks like interlaced video! I see horizontal lines in motion. When I pauzed the disc, no lines are there, so it is progressive, I think..?

Can someone explain where in the proces it goes wrong??
 
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Are you sure is not progressive?
Have you watch the dvd in a computer. Is there a big diference there comparing tv projection?
Maybe the trouble is with adobe encore.
I can´t give you much help.
I do dvd which i believe they are progressive (i watch them trough the pc and looks pretty progressive to me) but i have no progressive type of tv monitor.
Check the options for Adobe encore.
 
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Well, on the pc monitor it looks ok, but on my beamer via progressive dvd player it looks interlaced. I am going to try to set the source setting in procoder on interlaced, and the target on progressive, because I work in a interlaced project in avid.


...this option doesn't work! Uhmm, my dvd player says it is progressive, but it looks like ****, I see horizontal lines in the motions! And I don't think that Encore have an option for progressive...

Someone know where it goes wrong? Can it be the field order?
Procoder set the source on lower/bottom field first.
 
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You should set the "source" to progressive for the encoding pass. I don't use Procoder so I am unsure of it's settings, but I use the Main Concept MPEG encoder in Sorenson Squeeze and there is I select "NONE" on interlace and set my target to 25fps.

Michael
 
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So I did, and I did different export options from the avid, with no result. By the way, if I am going for a 16:9 dvd, I have to check the 16:9 option in the export settings? Because, when I do, Procoder says it is 720x405 !! That is somewhat strange.
(if I open the quicktime reference file from desktop and look at the 'movie info' then it says: normal size  720x576, current size 720x405, tho I find it strange that procoder sees it as 720x405, but the size on the dvd look ok)

And just another thing besides the interlaced thing on progressive dvd player, if I make any motion effect in avid, it get the same result on a normal interlaced set, but that has to do with the 25i project... But I don't get that normal progressive video with no effects looks like interlaced on my progressive dvd player (Pioneer DV-757Ai).
 
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If you are in a 25i project, all non blend effects (wipes, PIP, etc.) will be procssed as 50 fields (same for motion effects) so the resulting image will indeed by interlace regardless of setting in the encoder and the monitor type. This would explain some of the issues.

Try a test project where you have nothing but source progressive footage and no effects and try your workflow. See if there are interlace issues during playback.

You do not need to select 16:9 on the export. This is just for MoviePlayer to correctly display anamporphic material. It may not be affecting your encode, but you never know. Some encoders may see the vertical as 405 and try to scale the image.

Once v.4.5 comes out, you will be able to work in a 25p project and keep sync so many of these issues will go away.

Michael
 
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I just have made a new project, capture some 25P footage, add no effects to it, export as quicktime reference square pixel, set the encoder for both source and target on 16:9, progressive, but no luck at all! My dvd player shows the interlaced lines everywhere. But the strange thing is, when I pauzed the dvd player, I see no interlaced lines at all, and I have set my dvd player so, that it shows both fields at the same time when in pauze!

I also have made another progressive export, but now I encoded it with interlaced settings, now it seems to look allright on my dvd player in progressive mode, besides some ugly speed up effects, that seems to show double fields.

I have encoded progressive video before, it was made progressive with dvfilmmaker, and that shows me no interlaced lines...
 
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It still seems like an issue with the MPEG encoder...
 
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I am trying Sorensen Squeeze at the moment, but I get a file with the following extension: .mpv
My computer seems not to understand that file. With Procoder I get a file with the .m2v extension. How strange is that?
And were can I edit the source file so I can say that it is progressive and 16:9?
 
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m2v in procoder it means mpeg2. That´s normal.
In my opinion procoder is much better than sorensen. I would keep tryng with procoder.
 
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In Sorenson, click on the icon with the "wrench" (settings I believe) and make sure that the interlace setting is set to NONE.

Go to the ADVANCED setting of the MPEG2 settings, and you will see 4:3 or 16:9.

Michael
 
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Ya, procoder looks very good indeed, but when I make progressive mpeg2, I see interlaced lines.
Now I am gonna try Cinema Craft Encoder SP, it seems that it is the best in software encoders. But I have to say that the first results looks very ugly, but no interlaced lines...
****, what is that with those encoders, looks that there is none that works 100% good.
 
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MPEG2 encoding in an art form like any compression where each vendor has advantage with certain types of images, raster etc. All I know is that I have had good success with the Main Concept encoder within Sorenson Squeeze on several projects and that it hasn't caused me to go looking for a solution elsewhere - yet. Maybe I will run into something one day that will.

I am looking forward to WM9 players. I have uprezed DV24p stuff (NTSC here) to 720 x 1280 HD using WM9 and have been very impressed with the final results. Sonic Solutions will have a WM9 authoring suite in September...

Michael
 
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Tonight I'm gonna try to let all my material go trough
DV Filmmaker, sees how that will look on progressive dvd player. When material is allready progressive, DVFilmmaker don't touch them right?

I think making HD is the next big thing, I allready have seen some trailer in HD 720P format, amazing!
 
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Hmmm, that looks the same... Thus, Micheal you are right, it is Procoder I think.
 
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I am getting confused now!

I have tried TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress, wich gives smooth results, but when I play on progressive dvd player, I see those interlaced lines!! I don't know how that can be, cause I own many dvd's that are real progressive, and none of them shows me interlaced lines, (ya, some does on the menus because they are interlaced).

If I set the progressive mode off, the interlaced lines dissapears, also when I pauzed the dvd, there are no interlaced lines.

Do someone know what the hell is going on here??? This is so frustrating!
Can someone check their progressive dvd's on a real progressive dvd player?
 
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A progressive DVD player has no added value when played back on an interlace monitor. The only time you will see the progressive encoded media is when stepping throgh frame by frame - you will not see interframe field jitter. But playing back will show 2:3 cadence.

Progressive DVD players only work with progressive monitors - I use the DVI output of my DVD player to the DVI input of my projector - and all is fine.

Michael
 
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I know, I played from my pioneer dvd player in progressive mode trough component cable to my AE300 projector, wich say that the signal is progressive.

When I encode the video as source progressive and target interlaced, it looks all fine in progressive mode on my dvd player.

BTW, do you have the new pioneer dvd player with DVI out?
 
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I have the Samsung DVD Player with DVI.

Does your projector have the 3:2 removal feature?
 
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What do you mean by the 3:2 removal feature?(what does it do?)
My material is PAL progressive...
 
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