Most Sharpest look i can get with Hvx?

Lumiere

Lumiere

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Hi all,

Probably next week i will be shooting a corporate project.My client is showed me a HD footage which looks incredible sharp.And he asked me if we can do look like that footage,as sharp as it can.I am sure it wasn't shot with stock lens,doesn't matter what camera it was.Because it was looking totally nice lens work.

I am pretty used my hvx menu.But i also know nice color grading process is waiting me out there.:)
What do you guys advice me about scene file setting for hvx.Should i increase the detail level as much as i can while detail coring...? Or so you think Barry's bright scene file is the most sharp setting i can get from hvx?What do you do in these kind of situations?
I will go with my post with Avid,and saphire plug-in for color correction and grading.I also had nice color results with combustion.

Thanks in advance..


PS: I don't have a truck full of light but not that much bad either.
 
I think the same thing that makes people say the HVX is not as sharp as other cams, makes them say the HVX has that "Pana Mojo".
I guess you can´t have the one without the other...
If you client showed you super crisp HD footage, maybe it was shot on a big CineAlta, who knows?
Show him YOUR footage and let HIM decide if it is to his taste...


But I don´t think there is any setting that will let a HVX look as crisp as an EX1, I know had the first client saying the greenscreen footage looked a little soft...
(I´ve been saying this ever since, but if no one complains, why should I?)
But my HVX days are over, I´m just waiting for the next "best compromise".
Until then the HVX keeps earning the rent...;o)
 
Do some tests in 1080 60i, I have gotten my hvx close to an ex-1 in 60i and you can always sharpen more in post.
 
Experiment with the settings. The sharpest images will come from 1080p mode if shooting 24p or 30p, and if you're not looking for the "film" look, shoot 720/60p.

The cine gammas make the image softer, so you might want to stick with one of the HD NORM or B.PRESS gammas.

You can turn the detail level up, it will have a noticeable impact on the perceived sharpness, but it will also add visible edge enhancement so you want to be careful with that.

A shorter shutter speed can make the images look crisper too, so experiment with 1/120. It will affect the motion so you'll have to see whether it's worth it to you.

And, of course, focus correctly. Do *not* use an f-stop any deeper than f/8, and consider limiting it to no more than f/5.6.
 
I think the key is to just experiment and get the *cleanest* footage you can in 1080 mode... So, if you shoot some well lit footage that looks nice and clean on a big hdtv, it will likely *look* sufficiently sharp to them.

I typically use a version of one of Barry's filmic scene files and shoot in 1080/24pa mode... I shot in 720p/24pn for the first time in a while the othe day... and the difference is so painfully obvious... particularly with less than adequate lighting, etc... The footage just looks a ton cleaner (in 1080), which to many people will give it the perception of being very sharp.

I think a shallow DOF can also help give an added *appearance* of sharpness to the average eye as well, b/c there are nice clearly defined edges on the foreground subjects that are in focus. Even though adapters typically soften footage to an extent, a shot that is clean and well lit with good edge to edge sharpness, can really help an image to pop, and shallow DOF can help conceal some of the noisier areas of an image in the background that can otherwise be very obvious. Though, I'm certainly not recommending that you shoot with an adapter if you are trying to get the sharpest footage :) Just saying that I think the cleanest footage you can get should be your goal.

My 2 cents. :)

Later,
Jason
 
I like cineV for some projects, just not for the sharp look because it softens the image too much for my taste.
 
chip what are the rest of your settings with bpress, I am curious now, need to try it, never used bpress, always cinev and D
 
You do not want to use these for a short or movie type look, only for the sharp reality TV look and I don't over tweak the settings, I get it fairly close and make the final sharpness, CC changes in post.

1080 60i

Detail Level: +4
V Detail Level +2 (be carefull with this setting in 60i, don't go to high in 60i)
Coring 0
Chroma +2
Chormoa phase 0
Color temp 0
Master ped -2
a iris level 0
news gamma off
gamma B press
knee mid
matrix cine-like
skin tone dtl off
 
thanks chip, by the way, do you find a big difference between bpress and cineV if we want the national commercial tv look
 
allright then everything sounds for me common in these replies.But i forgot to say i am in PAL region,doesn't matter so much i guess. I agree with gamma settings are really matters,and either V nor D will hep me out about sharpness at all.But i accept they are must for a film look setting.Since i do not need a filmlook image in this project , i think i convinced my client with a image which shot before,with bpress gamma and +4 detail level,may gaffer was amazing in that project but he will not be with me in this one because of conflict:(
I think my Client thinks very nice,because he says, in HD world there is very thin line between nice HD look(which he means crispy highly contrast and sharp)but still acceptable for commercial look and ignoring video look even you dont want to get from 576i.

What about new Panasonic scene files announced by Jan?I don't think they are revolutionary after Bary's scene files.I also have my own different scene settings according to set-up. Am i wrong?
 
There is a possibility that PAL will benefit you more for the sharp look, I think it has a slighly higher resolution than ntsc.
 
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