MKH70-p48 for indoor recording?

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Lor

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How practical is it to use the MKH70-p48 boom mic indoor? If not, what's the suggested/recommended mic for indoor?
 
Long shotguns are mostly meant to be used on wider shots where the mic can't get as close as you'd want with a normal gun. The sweet spot of a long gun is very small and a skilled hand is essential.

Indoors, a hypercardioid is generally the best bet. A search should turn up a ton of recommendations.
 
Lor said:
How practical is it to use the MKH70-p48 boom mic indoor? If not, what's the suggested/recommended mic for indoor?
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Not pratical indeed. Depending on what you're planning on doing with the MKH70, I would not boom swing that thing in an INT environment unless it's a big set. If you mount it for stationary purposes such as sit down interviews, you would need to factor in how close you''d position it for dialogue pickup. This mic doesn't have a wide pattern at all. It's literally about 5 degrees from the center-axis. Also, it's 16-inches L-O-N-G! Craig suggested the MKH50, go for that.
 
I too would recommend the MKH50, there's also the MKH8050 and the CMC641 (pretty much the benchmark here.)

Alan, don't you use the 641? (I see you've been busy today. ;) )
 
Petros Kolyvas said:
I too would recommend the MKH50, there's also the MKH8050 and the CMC641 (pretty much the benchmark here.)

Alan, don't you use the 641? (I see you've been busy today. ;) )
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I recommended the MKH50 because he already has the MKH70. Better mix and match of mics.

641, yes. Double boom if needed. Been busy, yup. :)
 
Many thanks for all your suggestion. Okay so my options are:

MKH-8050
MKH-50
SCCMC641S

Can anyone of these mic be used to record instruments like piano or do folly recording? Or, is that require a totally different mic for that too?
 
Alan H. Chang said:
I recommended the MKH50 because he already has the MKH70. Better mix and match of mics.

641, yes. Double boom if needed. Been busy, yup. :)
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Alan, I noticed the 641 is a bit more expensive than the MKH50. How's the MKH50 holding up to the 641?
 
Lor said:
Many thanks for all your suggestion. Okay so my options are:

Can anyone of these mic be used to record instruments like piano or do folly recording? Or, is that require a totally different mic for that too?
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If your instrument mic'ing or Foley setup calls for a hyper cardioid, they would all be wonderful mics, but of course one's personal taste is a big part of choices at this end of the small-diaphragm condenser mic spectrum.

I would also recommend, as Alan noted, sticking with mics of the same flavour (Sennheiser's MKHxx rf-condensers have similar qualities) or, alternatively, renting them so you can make a decision for yourself. Most reputable dealers will rent you a microphone and allow you put the rental price against the purchase price if you want one.

Using one is the best way to know if the tool is right for you.
 
craigbowman said:
It won't make any difference what pencil you use if you can't draw.
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True, but I don't want to waste a bunch of money on a pencil that I'll regret once I know how to draw. And if I use a crappy pencil to draw, how do I know it's the pencil that is holding me back or my skill needs more improvement?
 
Lor said:
True, but I don't want to waste a bunch of money on a pencil that I'll regret once I know how to draw. And if I use a crappy pencil to draw, how do I know it's the pencil that is holding me back or my skill needs more improvement?
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You will eventually know by then that your pencil is holding you back. If I buy a $100 all-surface-upsidedown-NASA pen and can't find a use to it or even use it maybe 10 times a year, I can't justify owning one. Give a NASCAR driver your yugo or even a SMART car and see him go. Heck, try a Segway. Bottom line is when you reach to a point where any type of gear would make your day happy, you're there.
 
Lor said:
Alan, I noticed the 641 is a bit more expensive than the MKH50. How's the MKH50 holding up to the 641?
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Both of these microphones are expensive, period, not just the Schoeps. Whether you want to pay (the money) this much (the experience) for it (the arrow) is up to you (the archer) to decide (the goal). I personally chose the Schoeps system because they offer an extensive amount of accessory items for me to do my job expressively. They bounce from Production to Post to Live sound to Classical recording and back in my pocket. They also offer me the smoothest off-axis response I've ever heard from a microphone, though could change in the future with other manufacturers. There were several instances where I had a dead Schoeps, but cleaned the contacts and everything was alive again. Humid, rough conditions pass.

The Sennheisers are also used heavily in film production (on topic). Awesome for FX gathering and music recording. The older MKH series didn't have the option to change capsule heads, but were truly indestructible proven by their popular in demand 416. They introduced the MKH8000 series a few years ago where you finally could change capsule heads, pads, filters, and small in size. Sennheisers are also known to be cheaper than Schoeps, but shouldn't matter at all once you are talking in this league.
 
The point is if the 641 is much better than the MKH50, it's worth the extra two three hundred difference. You're not answering the question. I don't plan on buying one right now but like to know why the price difference. I noticed that many products the price difference are not due to the performance but brand name. Another word, you pay for the name.
 
Alan, thanks for the detail analysis. That's all I needed right now. I already own the MKH70 and it took me about a year or two to find out about the MKH70 before I decided to purchase. It may be another two or three years before I'm ready or have enough money to buy an indoor mic. By then, there may be something else better but at least I know what the differences are. Again, thanks for all the information.
 
Lor said:
The point is if the 641 is much better than the MKH50, it's worth the extra two three hundred difference. You're not answering the question. I don't plan on buying one right now but like to know why the price difference. I noticed that many products the price difference are not due to the performance but brand name. Another word, you pay for the name.
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I guess I wasn't answering your question precisely, but my point was that both mics are great. Price difference could be caused by lots of factors, this I cannot answer. If you're around a rental house or could rent a couple of times, try them out to see which one you like.

If price is a problem, look at the alternatives that's been mentioned in this forum.
Audio-Technica AT4053b
Oktava MK012
Audix SCX1-HC
AKG Blue Line CK93
MBHO 603/KA500
Beyer MC950
 
One thing you can try is renting the mics you are thinking of buying before you buy them, and you can make a better purchasing decision that way. Mic rentals, even for the expensive mics, are relatively cheap. Pretty much most of the mics mentioned in this thread can probably be rented.
 
Lor said:
Yeah, too bad I live in the Midwest where there are very limited rentals around.
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There are many many rental houses out there and they will all ship to your location.

The CMC641 is a great mic, but as others have suggested an MKH50 might be a better match for your MKH70.
In my work I rarely need anything as long as an MKH70, as an MKH60 and MKH50 are my bread and butter.
I rent an 641 if requested or it is needed for ADR.

All the Best!

Dave
 
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