mixing HPX301 with EOS dslrs

kostas

kostas

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Hello,
I will have the possibility to work with this camera (which I don't know yet) and I was just wondering how the HPX301 footage would intercut with footage shot on Canon DSLRs (5dmkII or t2i), which are much more familiar to me. Would this be a good idea mixing footage?
And if it is feasible aesthetically, what would be the best workflow to match the color tones and sharpness of the two cams?
Thank you very much in advance.
 
I have both a 5D and a 300 and I find it difficult to match them. I can notice the difference in the images no matter how much I grade the 300 to match the 5D. Even when I shoot telephoto shots with the 300 its still noticeable to me.

I wil say I haven't found a picture style or "Flat look" for the 300 so I'm sure that would help but I believe the vast difference in sensor size is the biggest problem in getting them to match.
 
I often shot with the 302 / Canon 7D and Lumix Gh13... they never really match but I'm not sure if that is a bad thing... each has it's own look and can work together...

Was watching the Pipeline Masters surfing the other day and they must have been using some DSLR's for the interviews etc cutting between surfing footage that was probably shot on an EX3 and it looked fine... I guess you just need to keep it in context..

Cheers
 
I've just finished a music video with the HPX301 as the primary and the 7D as the secondary. As others have mentioned they don't match as you'd expect but it's not necessarily a bad thing. The biggest issue I've found is how soft the 7D looked compared to the wonderfully sharp 1080 image the 301 produces, which wasn't the worst problem to have!

Here's what our completed film looked like, make up your own mind if you think the two cameras compliment each other or not :)

 
LilacProductions said:
I've just finished a music video with the HPX301 as the primary and the 7D as the secondary. As others have mentioned they don't match as you'd expect but it's not necessarily a bad thing. The biggest issue I've found is how soft the 7D looked compared to the wonderfully sharp 1080 image the 301 produces, which wasn't the worst problem to have!

Here's what our completed film looked like, make up your own mind if you think the two cameras compliment each other or not :)

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Very nice!
I really like the red light behind the band. Time lapse are very beautiful.!
Wich camera do you use for time lapse?
I think that you have used the 7D and the 302 in their own right shooting condition,so they match very well in the final result.
Again, very good job!
I agree with Lez. If you have to shoot different situations is better to shoot every situation with a single camera.So you can easly edit your work without have matching problems. Interviews with the 301,landscapes with the DSLR for ex.
Again, very good job!
 
I have used the 300 and the 7D together and got good results, they don't match but can be used together nicely.
 
LilacProductions said:
I've just finished a music video with the HPX301 as the primary and the 7D as the secondary. As others have mentioned they don't match as you'd expect but it's not necessarily a bad thing. The biggest issue I've found is how soft the 7D looked compared to the wonderfully sharp 1080 image the 301 produces, which wasn't the worst problem to have!

Here's what our completed film looked like, make up your own mind if you think the two cameras compliment each other or not :)

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Very nice example thank you.
Thank you all for the replies.
The idea was event shooting and from what I understand the best thing to do is to shoot the main frames with the HPX and do the close ups and inserts on the DSLR.
I will try to do some tests when the HPX will be made available to me.
 
Roberto Tafuro said:
Very nice!
I really like the red light behind the band. Time lapse are very beautiful.!
Wich camera do you use for time lapse?
I think that you have used the 7D and the 302 in their own right shooting condition,so they match very well in the final result.
Again, very good job!
I agree with Lez. If you have to shoot different situations is better to shoot every situation with a single camera.So you can easly edit your work without have matching problems. Interviews with the 301,landscapes with the DSLR for ex.
Again, very good job!
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Thanks Roberto, I've really enjoyed the films I've seen from you in the past also. I used the 7D and the Kessler "Bloom" pocket dolly with Oracle for the Timelapses. I don't want to high jack this thread so I'll make another post in one of the showcase forums, going into more details about how I went about it.

kostas said:
Very nice example thank you.
Thank you all for the replies.
The idea was event shooting and from what I understand the best thing to do is to shoot the main frames with the HPX and do the close ups and inserts on the DSLR.
I will try to do some tests when the HPX will be made available to me.
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No prob. Would love to see what you come up with on your project so please post some screens when you've shot it.
 
Now days I tend to use the 302 to satisfy the clients that a broadcast camera is being used... and then sneak in the 7d and GH1 as primary cameras in the edit... 302 takes the audio... DSLR footage is what the client ends up with...

Cheers
 
Lez said:
Now days I tend to use the 302 to satisfy the clients that a broadcast camera is being used... and then sneak in the 7d and GH1 as primary cameras in the edit... 302 takes the audio... DSLR footage is what the client ends up with...

Cheers
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Hmm be careful of this as you may be in breach of contract and if there are any problems with the pictures in a broadcast chain it could cause you a lot of hastle.
 
LilacProductions said:
Thanks Roberto, I've really enjoyed the films I've seen from you in the past also. I used the 7D and the Kessler "Bloom" pocket dolly with Oracle for the Timelapses. I don't want to high jack this thread so I'll make another post in one of the showcase forums, going into more details about how I went about it.
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Thank you so much!I'm really interested to your technique!
 
LilacProductions said:
Thanks Roberto, I've put a break down of the shoot in this thread: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...e-shot-on-the-HPX301-7D&p=2339146#post2339146

Out of interest have you shot much Timelapse footage, I'm always interested in unique locations and it's been to long since I was last in Italy.
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I'm honest! I've never shot a timelapse in my life! But i have to shot one for a new work and i'm totally ignorant on the technique to use!
Near my city there are many beautiful landscapes! Hills and sea...
Now i'll read your thread!
Bests,
Roberto
 
I did some timelapse tests on my HPX301 a few months ago and it all works very well, I did a nice sunset and one frame every minute seemed to be a good start, it only works in 720p mode though and to stop the process you have to press the stop button on the transport controls.
 
GaryNattrass said:
I did some timelapse tests on my HPX301 a few months ago and it all works very well, I did a nice sunset and one frame every minute seemed to be a good start, it only works in 720p mode though and to stop the process you have to press the stop button on the transport controls.
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Hallo Gary!
So you suggest to shot one frame every minute. I really don't want to have a snappy timelapse but a smooth transition in it. So i was thinking to shot only the sky,not trees or landscapes. Like the ones i've seen in Lilac's video. I don't need a camera movement by the way. I have to show the sunset and the beginning of the night. What i've learned is to not touch the iris. So my problem is that i don't understand how to do that! Well i can try it with two 301 and a 5D,with different parameters to see the differences, but if i don't know the technique i'll have for sure a bad result on every camera!
 
Lez said:
Now days I tend to use the 302 to satisfy the clients that a broadcast camera is being used... and then sneak in the 7d and GH1 as primary cameras in the edit... 302 takes the audio... DSLR footage is what the client ends up with...

Cheers
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+1 to that (g)
 
Hi Roberto it's a bit of trial and error but as you say you need to set the iris and leave it there, I seem to recall that the one shot each minute gave me good smooth timelapse over a 20-30 min period.

Best get out there and do some experiments, you need a steady tripod and stable base to stand it on too, I am lucky that we are 1,000ft above sea level and in the countryside so I can shoot sunsets from out upstairs balcony lots of times during the year, you also need to frame and predict where the sun will go down to account for the rotation of the earth.
 
As a rough guide I find that if you frame the sun top left on the long end of the std lens it then will pass through frame and go down bottom right of frame.
 
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