mixing,GH1,5D,and 7d in finalcut

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blues

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have 3 dslr to shoot indie film. GH1 has to be deinterlaced before I set tp Apple prores 422.I use Jes.Then whenI use the second and 3rd cam which is 5D and 7D so it can all be assembled to my timeline under proress compression,I need to convert it from H624 to prores via streamclip. mi questions are

1.I tried the mixture of all cameras and placed them into the finalcut format except that the conversion from 5D codec to prores 422 becomes so large for example a 358mb clip becomes 1.3gig clip in prores. am i doing something wrong?

2.do I still deinterlace the 5d clips ?

3.when I output my timeline to say a good dvd copy... what would be the best output format? mpeg4?

4.If I still use the finalcut 6.016 I understand that the prores 422 L is best for transfer conversion for 5D and that only can be use when you have a finalcut 7 installed.What is the difference between prores 422Q,L etc


thanks
 
You don't deinterlace the GH1 footage, you remove pulldown. Deinterlace is to take an interlaced source and prepare it for viewing on a progressive play-out device. When you remove pulldown, you're actually throwing out the "interlaced" frames.

I'm not sure what Prores Q, L are. When I was on FCP 6 I had ProRes and ProRes HQ. Regular ProRes should be fine for the 5D footage.

5D clips do not have pulldown, so you don't need to "deinterlace" them, as you said, or do anything other than convert to ProRes.

When you output to DVD you will convert to MPEG2. MPEG2 is the format the DVDs are encoded in.
 
what about the clip size...the original clip of 5d is 4 time higher when converted to prores...
 
yep, that's the deal, h.264 is un-editable in FCP so Pro-res is the way to go. Large file size, but what do you expect when dealing with HD right?:lipsrseal
 
one needs an external hardisk of 2 terra bytes then to edit an hour of indie...if I was to edit in a 17 inch macbook pro?
 
hard drive space has become so cheap in the last couple years, if you're working w/ HD material there's really no way around it.

I use a couple of these on the go:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/H0303VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MTczMTA1MDI&s=topSellers
this fits in my back pocket- great to edit on plane or wherever- USB powered on a 17"MBP like yourself. Can't beat it. I fit plenty of Prores material on one of these badboys.
Remember rule of thumb (generally)- 1min of HD material = 1 GB of space.


and at home I have:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TX118VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MTMzNzkyNzk
they're great, reliable, fast drives.

for a couple hundred bucks it's the way to go for sure.
 
thanks guys....one last question I use a lacie firewire phantom powered 250 gig they are nice and portable ....would there be a difference in speed if they were USB2 type of portable disks. would the transfer rate be slower?
 
alignment1 said:
I use a couple of these on the go:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/H0303VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MTczMTA1MDI&s=topSellers
this fits in my back pocket- great to edit on plane or wherever- USB powered on a 17"MBP like yourself. Can't beat it. I fit plenty of Prores material on one of these badboys.

and at home I have:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TX118VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=MTMzNzkyNzk
they're great, reliable, fast drives.

for a couple hundred bucks it's the way to go for sure.
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Not sure why anyone would order anything that's not a Mac or iPod from Apple.com... you can get these quite a bit cheaper from somewhere like Newegg.com

blues said:
thanks guys....one last question I use a lacie firewire phantom powered 250 gig they are nice and portable ....would there be a difference in speed if they were USB2 type of portable disks. would the transfer rate be slower?
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It may or may not be, depending on the drive and whatnot, but generally firewire is faster.
 
Yeah, Firewire -- especially 800 -- tends to be a little faster. I have 2 7200 RPM Firewire 800 drives (Laptop drives) that I edit off of. One is a backup of the other that I keep in my work desk as a sort of "offsite backup." You definitely pay a premium for FireWire 800, but I think it's worth it for drives that I edit off of. When a project is finished it comes off the project drive and onto an archive drive. Mine happens to be FW800 again, but it's a big desktop drive so the Firewire tax isn't as steep. If you need to save a little somwhere, you could go just USB 2.0 there. It will take longer to archive your project, but that's less of a concern since that archive process can run in the background.
 
saaby said:
Yeah, Firewire -- especially 800 -- tends to be a little faster. I have 2 7200 RPM Firewire 800 drives (Laptop drives) that I edit off of. One is a backup of the other that I keep in my work desk as a sort of "offsite backup." You definitely pay a premium for FireWire 800, but I think it's worth it for drives that I edit off of. When a project is finished it comes off the project drive and onto an archive drive. Mine happens to be FW800 again, but it's a big desktop drive so the Firewire tax isn't as steep. If you need to save a little somwhere, you could go just USB 2.0 there. It will take longer to archive your project, but that's less of a concern since that archive process can run in the background.
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Yeah like Saaby's saying (fantastic filmmaker btw!), for archiving or any background processes a USB2.0 or a FW400 is totally fine.
Definitely go with the 800 to 'edit' with though- you'll want a higher data transfer rate, although USB 2.0 has a slightly faster transfer rate than FW400...the 800 is definitely the way to go.:thumbsup:
 
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