mini35 and general questions.

adam powell

adam powell

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Hi,
Im wanting a more pro look with my DVX, and Im looking at a few options,

(no jokes about film school :p)

I want 16:9 and Ive been reading the site and looking at Guerilla35 and micro35 and I love the DOF.

I've heard things about the anamorphic being hard to focus at times but Im assuming it doesnt give you any less DOF (is it less dof? I think thats what I mean, closer to film, less depth right?) Im assuming it just gives you higher res than letterboxing or squeeze? and a wider field?

also, Is anyone working with micro35? or guerilla35 (the test shots look amazing) I know nothing about 35 lenses or what would be best, OR more importantly how much a lens that would help me achieve what im looking for would be?!?

I guess my question is, whats my best option for 16:9 low DOF film-like footage?

I think maybe buying an anamorphic and keeping a good distance from my subject is one option.

Im tempted by micro35....

*sigh*

anyway, talk, talk. fill my young mind with knowledge. :laugh:
 
Adam,
One option I have tested and it works with 35mm SLR and my image converter is the Century 16:9 anamorphic. You leave the DVX100A set on 4:3 (thus not using resolution)and you get an image squeezed vertically that you can un-squeeze in post and get 16:9 full rez from your DVX. It works well.
 
adam powell said:
thanks everyone else for all your pearls of....no wait...
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Here's some advice for you: Be specific and don't be obnoxious.
'sides, you can learn all that stuff at film school.
 
adam powell said:
I want 16:9 and Ive been reading the site and looking at Guerilla35 and micro35 and I love the DOF.

I've heard things about the anamorphic being hard to focus at times but Im assuming it doesnt give you any less DOF

I guess my question is, whats my best option for 16:9 low DOF film-like footage?
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can I get a 16:9 lens on a guerilla35?

I hope this is better.
Didn't mean to be obnoxious Brian.
 
Basically, no. There is a two part answer to that question...

1. Mechanically. You cannot attach two lenses to a single camera.
2. Optically. The anamorphic adapter only functions well (i.e. - in focus) through a very narrow range of focal length and aperture settings.


skip to below if none of this interests you...
There are two ways you *could* do it. You could attach the anamorphic on the camera first, next the lens adapter, then the film lens. Or, camera first, lens adapter, film lens, then anamorphic. Either way, I foresee several problems that would occur.

The first approach doesn't even seem possible because the camera lens would need to be at full telephoto (not possible when using anamorphic lens) *and* make use of an additional "close up" lens. I don't see how a user could stack a "close up" lens along with the anamorphic lens. In theory, it might be possible to insert it between the camera and anamorphic lens since they both use 72mm threads, but really, that's so far outside the scope of what this equipment was designed for... I don't think it would yield positive results.

Therefore, to work at all, and presuming using the second of the two approaches mentioned above, the film lens would need to have a focal length between 10-40mm and be stopped down considerably. In film, lenses in this range are considered extreme wide angle -to- medium wide angle, hence they have a "deep depth of field" where everything is in focus. This is in contrast to "shallow depth of field" and selective focus, which appears is what you are hoping for.

(Last thought. It has been suggested that Nikon at some point produced a line of anamorphic film lenses, but this is misleading. As I understand, Panavision may have converted some old Nikons by adding an additional rear element for use with the Panavision series of motion picture film cameras back in the 70's. They aren't available for sale and they were never intended for use with 35mm SLR cameras.)
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Without going into specific detail of "how" and "why", just know that using the anamorphic adapter in front of a film lens, if even at all possible, would increase the depth of field instead of reducing it and not give you the shallow focus look you're after.

There are other ways to get widescreen images from a DVX100a besides using the anamorphic adapter. The camera has several built-in "widescreen" alternatives.

Does this help at all?
 
so I cant have 19:9 and a shallow film like DOF with the dvx?

I dont have squeeze, and I was hoping to move away from letterboxing.

thanks for your help so far.
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This is what I plan on doing. Use the 35mm adapter full frame (with guides on LCD) for DOF. Then in post, matting into letter box and then once its completely edited, use disjecta's uprezing method. Yeah some resolution is lost but its the best of both worlds (until I get my HVX and a 72mm to 82mm step adapter)
 
damn it brian, im a rambler, and skatty, haha, I cant get what i mean out!

and what i mean by that is, I find it hard to explain myself.

what I meant to say was; my DVX is the earlier one, so I dont have squeeze mode, and Ive also read that when you letterbox you lose resolution.....all the bits underneath the letterbox that could be going to good use ;) (well I didnt need to read it, it was obvious, but the anamorphic clearly beats this problem)

bear with me Ive been drinking.

seejays plan seems like a good one. seeings as its easy to fake widescreen despite the res loss but not so easy to fake film-like DOF.

Ill have to look up the unprezzing method, hope my P4 can handle it.

good.....

......wait I have further questions...seejay, what lens do you think is good and how much is it.........plus are you going for mini35 or guerilla35?

also, when can I have a HVX?

thanks.

man I ****ing love rum
 
I'm going with the Redrocks Micro35. I'm getting the nikon mount and as my mum has a set of nikon primes for her camera (which she doesn't really use anymore), I don't need to buy any additional lenses. But I hear they are cheap. Have you checked out the board at redrock, they have tons of discussions as to what lense to use. http://www.redrockmicro.com/forum/

later, enjoy the rum.
 
wait, im so dumb, SLR lenses?
I have an Om1 with a wide angle, wonder If I can use that. Im baffled.

*goes off to read some stuff*

(with a hangover)
 
My brain is melting.
this stuff looks so good, from an effing SLR lens.

it looks like 16mm do you not think?

I dont know which version to get, Im assuming the lenses for the Cinematographer's Bundle are gonna cost $$$!! probably the same as the adaptor.........I saw an example shot with a 24mm Vivitar and it looks outstanding....AND it was taken from a canon Xm1 !!!!!
 
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