Micro35! Can a plug-in be made to flip the footage 180 during capture???

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icin235

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Final Cut Pro can unsqueeze anamorphic footage during capture.

Would it be such a stretch to have a plug in or a code or something that could flip Micro35 footage 180 degrees during capture?

I'm sure someone out there knows if this is possible.

Also, is there ANY sort of quality/sharpness lost when flop footage 180 degrees in post?

Thanks!
 
I don't know what FCP can or can't do during capture, but if they're modifying the footage and writing it as a DV .mov or .avi, then that means they had to recompress it.

If you wanted to flip it, yet still store it on your system in DV format, then yes you will lose a little quality because the computer will have to uncompress it, rotate it, and re-compress it again.
 
That's my one worry with using the Micro35. The image goes through less glass, but it needs to be flopped in post, where it seems you could risk losing "something".

Hopefully that's not the case. Can any Micro35 users out there chime in?
 
This is an interesting topic. First, it's not unique to Micro35 - any adapter that requires 180 degree flip faces this issue.

We have partnered with CineForm that already provides the flip during capture (real time or batch) so the HDV bases are covered.

I don't know this for sure, but I think if capture and save as uncompressed you will have no resolution loss (because there is no recompression), but there are many NLE experts far more knowledgeable than me in this regard. So I think there are ways to avoid recompression.

Honestly this concern of rotating creating resolution loss seems to me to be a bit of a red herring - If you make any changes in post to the footage (color correction, etc.) Barry's pointis still true - it's not like flipping the footage adds resolution loss in the normal post production manipulation that would require recompression. uncompressed post would also address this (again, I'm not the expert here, but that's my understanding)

Brian
 
Brian is correct, if you render out to uncompressed you will not lose anything. And when Cineform does its flip, it's not doing it to the .m2t transport stream, they're flipping the Cineform intermediate codec version -- which, if you want to use the intermediate codec, means you're getting the flip thrown in for free (without incurring any loss due to the flip).

What I was saying was, if you want to render back out to DV, that's where the loss comes in -- from the process of recompressing. If you don't recompress, there is no loss from flipping it.
 
bvalente said:
We have partnered with CineForm that already provides the flip during capture (real time or batch) so the HDV bases are covered.
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Perfect. This is what I wanted to hear.

I cut on Final Cut Pro. I will soon be using the JVC GY-HD100U at my work. I am going to tell my boss to invest in a Micro35 to use with the camera. What do I need to do or to get in order to flop my footage during capture into FCP?

Thanks.
 
How about shooting the camera upside down during production? This will save you from flipping the image in post. :)
 
Maybe the camera manufacturers could create a little software upgrade that flipped the image BEFORE it is compressed by the camera. Surely that would be very easy for them and really show a willingness to help indie filmmakers = brownie points.

I doubt that there is time to add such a feature to the HVX...but maybe..just maybe.
 
mmm - It would be nice for panny etc. to support this for sure! Hopefully lots of folks will make that request.

icin235 - all you need is the latest Cineform product release - all the info is on their website.

Cheers

Brian
 
Cineform products are only for PCs from what I understand.

Hopefully they're working on stuff for Macs or FCP.
 
icin235 said:
Cineform products are only for PCs from what I understand.

Hopefully they're working on stuff for Macs or FCP.
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We have been working with FCP to develop a setting for capture. So don't worry mate, It will be taken care of.
 
"How about shooting the camera upside down during production?"

... or you coudl gluethe set and the actors to the celing. :-)

- Mikko
 
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