Meet the new kid on the block- Pentax K-7

squig said:
Yeah I'm with Kholi and Isaac, the DSLR is just the brain. You swap out the brain for a better one. My D90 is history, I'm gonna grab a GH1 if the D400 isn't announced soon. The brain amounts to only about 15% of the cost of my rig and I'll only lose a couple of hundred dollars replacing the brain. You can easily spend more on a matte box, follow focus, or lens than you do on the brain so there's not really that much to complain about bar the shi*ty consumer codec.

It's a real shame the K-7 doesn't have manual control and is 30p because I suspect the picture is going to be very nice probably even better than the 5DMKII.
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AdrianF said:
Exactly. I'm sure this is going to become pretty standard practice over the next few years. Right now we have a choice of several good "brains" and more on the horizon. There's no reason not to mix and match bodies during shooting, for different strengths and weaknesses. If you already have a good collection of Pentax glass, then this looks like an exiting prospect. Want to add slow mo, or need the manual control in certain situations, then get a GH1 with an adapter. It' s only going to get more interesting.
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I'm with you guys. All the cameras now in the mix are just a bridge to something amazing down the road. I picture next year we're gonna be just silly with choices. 'Til then pick your weapon of choice, gather up ye lenses and gear and go shoot until the next big 'game changer' makes you wet yourself. In the meantime I picture us all beating the sh*t out of each other at swap meets over a Zeiss lens going for $3.25. I love that old, cool glass is being resurrected, anamorphics are in play and workarounds will be old news in the future. Just 3 months ago I had no idea this was possible.
 
Kholi said:
Pappas the issue is people just either aren't reading or not getting simple explainations???

For example: I clearly stated twice to you that I don't own an MKii. But you keep saying that I do.

See what I'm getting at?

Secondly, there's nothing but trouble in shootouts. People with investments to protect on both sides of the fence cry this or that. We know it from experience and it's not worth my time, personally.

We already know the MKii has the better image. What else can be gained??

It won't change the fact that the GH1 is still the more well rounded tool and it won change that the mkii is better in lowlight yadda yadda.
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Agreed, thanks for the clarification Kholi..... :-)
 
Martti Ekstrand said:
You mean the shutter that nobody has mentioned that there's control over on the Pentax and that has to be tricked into a correct setting on the Canon? I know that the 5D can produce a flicker free clip in 50Hz lights but it's all too easy get it wrong, especially out in the field trying to work quickly on non-repeatable shots. I've seen enough flickering takes from the 5D to know it's no fallacy.
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It is a fallacy when someone says it as an inevitable truth. More FUD than anything else, as matter of fact.

When you say: «I know that the 5D can produce a flicker free clip in 50Hz lights», you're seconding my fallacy point of view.

When you say: «but it's all too easy get it wrong», I add that it's all just a workaround to get it right. But most part of time, not even necessary.
 
But it doesn't mean that it hadn't sounded as 'an inevitable truth', a fallacy if not for any 5D Mark II user (I believe so) at least for this one here. :)

Moreover, when you placed your 'for me' was not about the pretentious fact (the fallacy) but your right to decide to be 'out of water'. Be it but not based on facts that are not facts. I'm sorry.
 
Emanuel said:
But it doesn't mean that it hadn't sounded as 'an inevitable truth',
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Guess I'm too humble and unlike you don't consider myself a arbitrator of right and wrong in the universe so forgot a "I" in that sentence not even thinking it might be perceived as a inevitable truth... or maybe it was just my dyslexia that tripped me. BTW I didn't write 'out of water', I wrote 'dead in the water' - do you at all bother to really read other's posts and fully comprehend them before you reply?

All your nitpicking (würdbating?) of my writing skills aside it still remains that a 30 fps camera can create flickering under 50Hz lights and if the manufacturer hasn't given the user control of shutter speed so that defect can be countered in a easy and repeatable fashion then I (let me emphasize that I in bold!) don't want to buy that camera. You can call that a fallacy of pretentious FUD for all you want, it's my money.
 
xxxxx1 said:
first sample, DA15/4 w/ auto ap.
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that doesn't look too bad- the image quality is nice, but the skew looks pretty apparent I think and I guess the flickering is due to auto exposure?

who knew 20p would be the new trend though? they actually downgraded from their 21fps burst mode on the k20d (http://vimeo.com/user642322/videos)

edit: whoops I don't know why I thought it was 20fps- it's 30. I must have confused it with earlier rumored specs or got mixed up because of its weird 1536 x 1020 mode.
 
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The 20 fps for the largest resolution is listed at the swedish reseller Cyberphoto as I wrote earlier in the thread but that must be old info as the specs at Pentax do say 30 fps and nothing else.

http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2009/200906.html#spec

There are some jumps in exposure and white balance going on in that clip and crude colour aliasing in the curved railing in the background (that could be bad flash encoding). However I guess it's taken with a preview unit and not a finalized production unit so not much use discussing this clip in detail.
 
Martti Ekstrand said:
Guess I'm too humble and unlike you don't consider myself a arbitrator of right and wrong in the universe so forgot a "I" in that sentence not even thinking it might be perceived as a inevitable truth... or maybe it was just my dyslexia that tripped me. BTW I didn't write 'out of water', I wrote 'dead in the water' - do you at all bother to really read other's posts and fully comprehend them before you reply?

All your nitpicking (würdbating?) of my writing skills aside it still remains that a 30 fps camera can create flickering under 50Hz lights and if the manufacturer hasn't given the user control of shutter speed so that defect can be countered in a easy and repeatable fashion then I (let me emphasize that I in bold!) don't want to buy that camera. You can call that a fallacy of pretentious FUD for all you want, it's my money.
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This is becoming ridiculous. Words bring a meaning. What you write or didn't write is only relevant when you're implying a meaning associated. See also the difference between signifier and signified.

Yes, you wrote it in your way. Not exactly 'out of water'. What do you want that I may add to your belated disclaimer? Have you noticed the commas introduced there anyway? Got it? Is it really necessary to detail it? 'cause to me (or any reader, I suppose) is the meaning what counts.

When I read it, I replied to the meaning of your assertion. If I would read it without any other information, maybe I wouldn't buy it 'cause your innacurate observation. I call it FUD once I'm tired to read others bashing this camera also 'cause have no budget for the purchase. Trying to convince themselves (and others too) with half false arguments. I'm not saying that's your case. Check it out please, the 'I' is there. Chill out brother, this is a friendly forum, not a battle field. :)
 
Wow, so many existentubators on this thread :)

Does anyone know where that video link came from? I see that it has review in the URL, is there an actual review linking to it?
 
Was that from the Pentax? I just stepped through it and the video is falling apart all over the place. Say it isn't so.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Haha. Alright Emanuel and Martti perhaps you could take the existential crisis into PM's.
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LMAO But do me a favor and put me 'out of water' *sorry :laugh:* out of this waste of time, OK? :) As said, it has become ridiculous 'cause is just pointless. Enough said though.

Apart Mr. Ekstrand's case, what bothers me is the inaccuracy of such 'fact(s)'. The flickering 'fallacy' ('original sin' here ;-) for example, it had been a problem to a few since the HVX launch. The choice on a 24p version purchase had dropped 'cause something that's not even a problem.

So, it's not difficult to get when someone says: «it's my money there» 'cause it just made a honest point [that «there» is out of (exact) quote but not its meaning hahaha -- I'm sorry once again :cheesy:].

Points are always welcome and more useful to any debate than the noise around. But I figure out (or at least, not for lack of attempt) a few reasons. Just not flickering under 50Hz lights, as far as it is possible to know after a fair 30p test in PAL realm. To the usual 5D Mark II naysayers in PAL land or not, a well-informed user just can say, pick another one. That does not apply.
 
Emanuel said:
Chill out brother, this is a friendly forum, not a battle field. :)
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Amen to that Emanuel..............




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Isaac_Brody said:
Haha. Alright Emanuel and Martti perhaps you could take the existential crisis into PM's.

I'm still confused, is the highest resolution really that odd 1536 spec? :huh:
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yep. I'm assuming they did it for web delivery???

perfect for 2x anamorphic shooting
 
Earlier someone asked about the Pentax lens register distance. I found this info for some of the popular lens mounts in case of interest:

C-mount = 12.50mm
Leica M = 27.95mm (or, 27.80mm ?)
Leica screw = 28.80mm
Canon FD = 42.00mm
Minolta MD = 43.50
Canon EOS EF = 44.00mm
Pentax K = 45.50mm
Contax/Yashica = 45.50mm
Olympus OM = 46.00mm
Nikon F = 46.40mm
Leica R = 47.00mm
Arriflex PL = 52.00mm
 
Well Kholi I guess now we have the big feature that everyone needed with the 5D. Full manual control just announced in a firmware update. I must admit I'm surprised they did it. But now the 5D is fully ready to play. For those of you still frozen in the 24P mindset get your GH1. For the rest of you that want the best 1080P image you can get with full 35mm DOF without that gigantic film adapter contraption check out the 5D.
 
Nathan Troutman said:
Well Kholi I guess now we have the big feature that everyone needed with the 5D. Full manual control just announced in a firmware update. I must admit I'm surprised they did it. But now the 5D is fully ready to play. For those of you still frozen in the 24P mindset get your GH1. For the rest of you that want the best 1080P image you can get with full 35mm DOF without that gigantic film adapter contraption check out the 5D.
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LOL.

www.prolost.com

I guess it wasn't enough for.. most people still on the fence. =B Hur hur

But I did say I'd buy one if it got manual controls. And I will. And I will rent it, have it pay for itself while I use my two GH-1's.

Enjoy shooting.
 
It's funny this is being discussed under a group heading entitled "GH1 General Discussion" in a thread call "Meet the new kid on the block - Pentax K-7" :)

Anyway, I'm sticking with the GH1 over the 5DmkII - I'll still get three different frame rates instead of one, a flipout LCD, an electronic viewfinder, the ability to use a bazillion lenses (with adapters), and save $1000+ in the process... which of course will be used to buy a few lenses, and perhaps a rail system/matte box.

I REALLY hope Panasonic follows Canon's lead and listens to their users - releasing a firmware upgrade to fix some of GH1's "issues". We shall see.
 
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