Marvel films vs Abelcine Range?

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Adamsenoj

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How many of you have compared these 2 scene files?

These are my favorites so far. I'm pretty much convinced the best workflow with the AF100 is shooting flat for post grading. But my comparisons between these 2 scene files are giving me contradictory results. Sometimes i like better Abelcine Range, sometimes I like better marvel films. Marvel seems to be definitely noisier but produces the best skin tones.

Would love to hear from anybody who have compared both or has any suggestions for other flat scene files.

Thanks.
 
My suggestion is that the User develops their own scene files to suit their own circumstances and visual preferences.

My other suggestion is to shoot a bunch of tests with the Default (out of box) Scene files FIRST..so that one has an understanding of the baseline output.

In my experience..the "magic bullet" scene file does not exist.
 
I'm sorry, did I ask for a magic bullet solution?

I had the impression I was talking about flat scene files, which most know are intended for a certain situation and not an overall setting. If I'm inside and under cool lighting I will use a different setting.
Now if we could just get back in topic, flat profiles. Topic is not when use profiles. ;)
I know that already, as surprising as it may appear to you.
 
Actually you did ask for a "magic bullet" by fact that you asked at all for Scene Settings that others had developed by testing for them selves.

You came at this camera with some hear say preconception that it did not work out of the box so you did not bother to try or test the defaults.

The tests you shot were dumped from the card. (Assumeably wiped from your NLE as well.) Not much for others to work with when you post your observations about images we can not see!

You still seemed confident enough to shoot some gig for a client ....

People here are trying to offer advice in good faith. We have seen this before... quite a few times.
 
So far I'm pretty darned pleased with the "GH2 match" settings Barry Green posted some weeks/months back. I tend not to shoot flat, though, as I'm often not editing my own footage and those who do aren't big on coloring it.
 
On topic: Under conditions as the Marvel folks describe, their recipe I've only slightly tweaked and gotten results similar to theirs. I found the note that coring needs be two points above detail is valuable. Able cine, too, has some valuable guidance. Let's don't forget the inimitable Barry Green, whose scene files illustrate extreme versions of direction. For me, I would like to settle on six that would be my defacto on the camera scene files. Meaning at any moment they can be altered as the image I'm after looks more able to be captured. Like motion pictures themselves, it's a movng target.

Slightly Off-Topic:
I myself have followed most of the scene file discussions. One of the advantages to this camera over, say, a canon 305 is that it is extremely malleable. In fact, it is not the camera to pick up and get that emergency ENG shot that won't wait for tuning. On the other hand, the broad scope of directions you can go are one of my personal favorites about it. So we monkey with scene files. I'm very happy at all the different things people have tried and posting of those results. Doubtless, though, the first thing is to try the default six and see what they're about. For me, that means changing lens, too. I'm in the group with quite a few high grade nikon/nikkor primes that are outstanding on this camera. The 28mm ultra-sharp does a bit different that the 300mm, though. From there you form opinions, hopefully based on the IMAGE produced, which is really the point of the exercise, eh? For instance, I think of NORM 1 as Kodak and NORM 2 as Fuji. Dates me and will probably make others yell at me, but it also makes real sense in my little mind.

So please- keep those scene file trials coming, they really do serve a purpose for all who look. Truly, though, the 'magic bullet' for something to use in almost any situation is: use a different camera. I'm going to start a particular scene file thread as soon as I've made sure through searching that it isn't already here. Otherwise, we should probably stay with the main topic dicussions and minimize the scattering.
 
Shooter said:
Actually you did ask for a "magic bullet" by fact that you asked at all for Scene Settings that others had developed by testing for them selves.

You came at this camera with some hear say preconception that it did not work out of the box so you did not bother to try or test the defaults.

The tests you shot were dumped from the card. (Assumeably wiped from your NLE as well.) Not much for others to work with when you post your observations about images we can not see!

You still seemed confident enough to shoot some gig for a client ....

People here are trying to offer advice in good faith. We have seen this before... quite a few times.
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I would just like to take this opportunity to compliment you on your professional attitude and your ability to move beyond the attitudes that might otherwise lead things in a less than educational direction. I lurk here to learn about this camera and I always appreciate the insight you demonstrate in your posts Shooter.
Cheers,
gco
 
Adamsenoj said:
Would love to hear from anybody who have compared both or has any suggestions for other flat scene files.
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Both Abelcine Range and Marvel Cine-Style scene files use the AF100's Cine-D/NORM2 gamma curve with extremely soft Detail settings. Abelcine has higher Chroma and Pedestal settings, which will reveal more shadow details and noise than Marvel. Aside from that, they're pretty similar. Describing them as "flat" is a misnomer - while Cine-D has the mildest slope of the AF100's gamma curves, it's still quite contrasty and will readily blow out your highlights with moderate to high Pedestal settings. I would describe this type of scene file as "soft" rather than "flat".
 
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