Making a feature with an HVX

GaryinCalifornia said:
Lost here... please explain...

Gary.
A professional film package looks something like this:

Script
Schedule
Budget
Principal Cast and Crew pay or play contracts
Funding arrangement letter of agreement
Dustribution arrangement letter of agreement
Completion Bond (insurance).

Takes a lot of meetings, at least two sets of lawyers, bankers, producers and accountants to put one of these together.

The putting together of the package is called development.

So.
You can see that the development part of the film is the highest risk part.
You may not be able to get a bank to agree to finance.
Or a star may not want to sign to your director.
Many things can go wrong.

So the money you put into development is very high risk indeed.

Now consider this:

If you do have a package together, with contracts signed, sealed, witnessed and delivered, what do you have?

A film that a bank will finance, because it knows that the people in it are name players, a distributor will take it once it's done, and, if something should go wrong between the spoon and the lip (i.e. from the moment the money is taken until the moment the film is finished), then the completion bond company will protect the investment.

In other words, this is not a very high risk proposition.

So.
Start a development company.
Put your money into the high risk part of the operation.
Bet on your being able to get the necessary lawyers, agents, managers, bankers, et al together to get this package put together.
Upon success, sell the package to the film production company.

At a profit commensurate to risk.
High risk, high yield, fast turnaround.
Gambling, pure and simple.

Trouble is these days, most people want all the profits without any of the risk.
When you're on the road to being done, you'll have the attention of people, who will suddenly all want to be your best friend and partner.
They all smell the money and they didn't have to lay out a dime to get it.

So you spend $100k setting up (developing) a $5m movie, say.
Or you go to Vegas and get a couple more entrepreneurs to chip in $100k each, whatever.

You wine, dine, schmooze, play golf with, and generally get to know the players and make deals.

And when you're done, you simply sell your completed package (without the risk now, remember, everything's a green light at this point) back to yourself, at a profit that pays you back for the risk you took with your initial money (when nobody would talk to you, let alone back you).

That's what producers do.
Then they go hire the minions such as us to actually make the movies they have developed.
 
Unless you can't sell the package...

I'd rather take his $150,000 make a movie..

You do what a lot of guys or gals do... look at what you have... and make your story work around that... write one or two small cameos for known actors...

First off like others have said story is king...

The odds of going to the big screen at this budget range is rather high... but I think in the hands of a good dp... a HVX/35mm package will go far in production value...

Then find the best unknown actors...

Just my .02...
 
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You already have a camera that is more than capable of shooting a feature quallity image. Rent whatever grip, lighting, dollies, jibs, Steadicams, hire a GREAT DP and make a movie.

It would also be nice if you could pay your crew.

Best,

Dan
 
Paying your crew would be definetely recommended... I didn't have the capital to pay anyone, but I signed everyone in agreement to pay the cast and the crew a fixed sum, after profits are cashed in.
My investments were on physical assets like camera, makeup, computers editors, food, etc...
Had I had access to 150-200k I would've payed everyone off and still shoot with the HVX...
My film is more of a crime genre and it worked out well for me.
The HVX footage looked so clean, that I had to dirty everything up... Many people would say: "Why get a HVX if your gonna mess up the HD look???"...
Well, I like how it looks, and that is all that matters isn't it?

I guess my point is, that I liked the fact that the HVX gave me the option to get a crystal clear image and move on from there...

ALSO, I couldn't afford a 35mm adapter, but it would've been nice... a steadycam would go higher in my list of priorities though... maybe next time...
:-D

My trailer is at www.someonewillfall.com to see what I'm talking about...
 
I am editing/Post Producing a horror feature called Denmark right now, it was shot on the HVX with the Redrock 35mm lens adapter( we rented superspeed pl primes). I would definitley recommend this route especially if you already own the camera, we got some really beautiful footage out of that combo. I was editing on set and we had an assembly pretty quick, the budget was in the ballpark of what you have. That advice about saving lots of money for post is really really great advice by the way. Looks like you are in socal? I am down there quite a bit, we should hook up some time ill show you some footage, maybe you need a editor ? haha ;)
 
taormina said:
Hey Gary...is it HVX or 35 - I didn't quite get what you meant.

Sorry I was running out the door to go to a writers meeting... yes I meant to say what msconce figured out a M2, SGpro, so on and so on...

I think you can do it... if you think of everything you have... for example your buddies cousin owns a $200k sports car... another friend can get you a high speed boat... write your movie around the things that you can get for free to add to your production value...

And if you get them free never tell anyone that... at least until after you gotten the money for selling the film..., because the buyer will think he had to rent that car and boat...

I would also try and keep all your locations as close as possible... just do a two week shoot... then by owning the HVX... you could spend lots of time doing pick up shots on your action scenes...
 
There is no right or wrong way to do it, and I'm seeing a lot of posts here that present themselves as the standard option.

Every film is different outside of the studios.

Do what works for you. Most working indie filmmakers agree that everyfilm one must re-invent the wheel.

Tax law changes, technology changes. The studios have it nailed to a bit of a science, but only because they have the finances to make sure that any given process can be repeated. But even that is changing. As the money comes more and more from funds and not individuals, the rules change.

Vague on purppse.

good lucck
 
Try connecting with a good producer that's done a few features on a prosumer hd camera. See what they say. A good PM will offer you a budget and schedule and charge you around $800. It'll be well spent.

I'm nervous about your initial question because I'm not sure what you want to do with the $150k feature? Video? TV? Festivals? Is it yours or someone else's money?

If this is just a 'who would win in a battle spiderman or batman' kind of question, then sorry for reading too much into it.
 
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