Magenta screen for compositing

Had some interesting red-screen experience lately, thought I'd share - as there is virtually no info out there...

This was a PSA for the big electric conglomerate, for summer use - "save power from four til seven", as in "Texas gets hotter every year and the power outages are getting ridiculous..."

Anyway, I had shot a "music video" for Band of Puppets... basically some cool dudes who are crazy for muppet-style puppeteering, and have been doing kid's videos using local bands & musicians. Much much cooler than "Barney"... Oncor Energy saw it and inquired about a PSA spot.

I had some drinks with with the puppet creators and we got into the idea of a cool composited look and came up with several shots. Having shot the furry creatures already (on-set, not keyed) I knew some of the main characters were neon-green and sky blue, and very fuzzy... I told them we'd need to do a magenta screen test.

First thing I discovered... nobody sells chromakey-magenta fabric - at least hours of googling turned up absolutely nothing. After more searching, I found some fuschia party tablecloths and some bright magenta fabrics to test.

And this is certainly a deal you want to do extensive testing. I shot the fabric samples under daylight (flos & HIDs) and checked for lighting and fabric that would give me the purest RGB readout possible - the goal being R255, G0, B0 - my belief is that the less color on separate channels, the better. Settled on the fuschia tablecloth with 1/2 minus green on biax flos. I also tested rim/backlighting from daylight to full tungsten.

I was shooting this with an HMC150 - not the best keying camera but a world away from the DSLRs, and I've done major keying projects with it (and I'm about to get an AC130...)

The tests looked promising; but in hindsight, I really wished I'd done some tests with different chroma levels. The saturation of the puppets was often so intense that the regions of overlap with the intense BG caused some problems in keying. My guess is turning the chroma down would have just made a more difficult key by adding G&B to the background, but I am still curious about that.

Keylight does not seem crazy about magenta plates. The "status" display for green will show you a lot of black; with red, it's all fairly grey. But having hours of HMC keys under my belt, I was able to work with these amazingly tough keys... hair, fuzz and fur. A despill bias layer with a non-spill track matte is really handy here.

So - it is very doable with non-hollywood gear, as some shots were just as tough as it gets to key. Here's the final - probably 80% on green, many mixed green & red comps as well. Very pleased with the overall style and feel, though I'm still noticing some rough edges. Client is beyond psyched.

 
The final looks great. Thanks for the info, it's always useful to hear about experiences going outside the traditional comping methods.
 
Thanks Kurt - funny thing is, once you eyedropper the keying color, the rest of the process is about the same - or as "same" as doing a lot of different keys gets. Even with the status display showing a less than stellar key, the screen matte display looked like any green key I've pulled.
 
FYI, magenta is a secondary color, a mix of red & blue. You could have shot on a red screen, a primary color, and probably would have had an easier time of it. Red screens are uncommon because skin tones contain a lot of red, but they are used in the VFX world for models & miniatures when it's appropriate.

Very cute spot, BTW. And I'll try to save power from 4 to 7, even though I'm in NY!
 
Ignoring the technical side a moment, that's a cool ad with a catchy tune - I'm on board! I'm in Oz. Ask your clients is that 4 to 7 my time or your time? :2vrolijk_08:
 
Thanks guys - as far as the screen color, re-read the OP - I tried several fabrics and did mange to find one that could be tweaked to full red channel, g0 b0.

The style of that spot is something I used in a fully green screened music video (below) - photoshop backgrounds, spread out as 3D layers in after effects. The cool thing? If your camera is moving, stabilize it, and then parent a camera to it - all of your plates move in tandem with your footage. Very very cool.

After I shot the music video, I got hired to be... the lead guitarist of Samee Skumn's band. First gig is friday. I had to buy a BIG amp...

 
In the past I was told by a friend that burnt orange is really the best to get a key from. Has anyone had any experience with that?
 
Besides the tec stuff, I really love that clip.
Verry, verry well done, production wise as well as the music and puppets.

Frank
 
Thanks Frank - the puppet thing is certainly a trip, I had no idea there's a sort of underground puppeting thing going on. We had six puppeteers on set who were insanely into it. The main guy is one of the best musicians in town, he's in about 8 bands and plays everything from pedal steel to guitar to violin, country to punk. And he sews up amazing characters (AND he said he can sew me some custom scrim jim fabrics, oh yeah!)

And it's hard, hard work. That clothesline gag was nuts. These guys/ladies hold their hands over their heads all day, some of those puppets are heavy.

Here's one of their kids music videos. I could see this being a full-time gig, local bands doing kid songs - bet there's a big market for this.

I shot this and handed the card over; they didn't use storyboards and it became a long night. But we've got our heads together to do some cooler stuff down the road. I could see PBS running with this (if they survive the tea party that is!)

 
Here's one of their kids music videos. I could see this being a full-time gig, local bands doing kid songs - bet there's a big market for this.

It's a HUGE market. The Wiggles were a struggling rock band when they had their great idea to tap an unexploited market. Now they're one of the most successful and wealthiest band of all time with an entourage to make any rapper weep.
 
The band in the spaghetti song - the nicest dudes ever. Their drummer talked like "the Honey Badger" all night, he called my daughter and freaked her sh*t OUT. "Thanks for the snake stupid!"

Google The Monco Poncho and listen to their song "Crystal Clear" - I have a cast-of-thousands music video in my head for that song.
 
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