Lowlight footage

Dan Leniczek said:
That being said, what about the fact that Final Cut Studio in it's current version does not adequately transcode AVCHD to ProRes or AIC.
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If there's a bug in the transcoding, that bug is Apple's fault. Many people have downloaded the footage, a few have reported issues, most have not, therefore I wonder if it was a bad download, a bad firewire cable to an external drive, who knows what? The whole transcoding thing is a temporary issue anyway: Apple has already announced that the next update won't require any form of transcoding, it'll support the AVC-HD codec natively. (Of course, I'd bet that it'll still not edit the footage directly, it'll probably require a rewrap to quicktime for no valid reason I can detect, but that's another issue altogether).

Rewrapping and transcoding is an optional workflow that Apple is choosing. Premiere Pro CS4 edits the footage directly, as does Vegas 8.0c, and I believe EDIUS 5 does it as well. Apple could do it too, if its customers demanded it loudly enough and if they will deign to listen to the requests.

A-What's up with the transcoding issues in FCP.
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Only Apple can answer that. The footage is good.

B-What's up with the LCD on the 170? Why did it lag at the Expo
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I haven't seen a production model 170 yet, hopefully mine will be here in a few days. I wonder if you're not seeing typical 24p zooming effects (same as "strobing" but in the zoom direction). Having used a DVX and HVX since 2003, and them using the same LCD panel ever since the DVX100B was introduced, and having used a preproduction 170 and 150, I sincerely doubt there is any hardware issue. Fast snap-zooming under 24p looks weird, just like fast panning looks weird. And you won't see this on most other cameras because most of them don't have the ability to do a true manual zoom. You can, however, see this same effect on an HD100-series or on an EX1 series if you put them in fully manual zoom and snap the zoom quickly. It's a 24p thing, not an LCD thing.

That's my bet, anyway.
 
this test is actually quite impressive... usually these types of tests don't do stuff for me but i see a big difference between this and the HVX200 classic.

that's a big win for Panasonic and for me! w00t, i can't wait to get mine.
 
Just saw this thread -

Got my 170 a little over an hour ago, just checked all formats/framerates....
I didn't see anything strange going on with the LCD.

Not sure where this concern started - but I don't see it being as issue in the least.
 
Barry,
Thanks for addressing my questions. I understand what you are saying, and that was not the case with the 170 I was testing. This was a definite lag affect due to the LCD monitor's inability to keep pace with the zoom and pullout speed. Additionally, the Panasonic rep present verbally confirmed that this was the case with the 170 and there is nothing one can do to get around it but simply live with it. I know it sounds awkward, but that's how it went down. I did change frame rates on the camera and it did not occur at 60p. The Panasonic rep confirmed that as well. Interesting. Anyway, the fine DVXuser members such as Delaro and Caffesse have weighed in and confirmed that there is absolutely no issues with the LCD monitor on their new 170's, so issue resolved. Thanks for everyone's interest in my post. Most appreciated.

dan
 
Dan Leniczek said:
. . . This was a definite lag affect due to the LCD monitor's inability to keep pace with the zoom and pullout speed . . .
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Probably not the culprit, BUT . . .

Might the lag you've witnessed be a side effect of the OIS being enabled and no one realized this at the time?
 
DC said:
Probably not the culprit, BUT . . .

Might the lag be a side effect of the OIS being enabled?
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I tried it with both the OIS on and off, and didn't see any noticeable difference.
You would notice an OIS lag on the pans (since it is trying to stabalize camera movement) - but not on a zoom, which is just lens movement.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
I tried it with both the OIS on and off, and didn't see any noticeable difference.
You would notice an OIS lag on the pans (since it is trying to stabalize camera movement) - but not on a zoom, which is just lens movement.
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Yea, I don't think the OIS has crop capabilities. Man we are really scratching our heads now aren't we. :)

My guess is that the camera got dropped in the feeding frenzy of the convention. :beer:
 
Ah, I thought I remembered seeing this thread... Well, a little while ago, I was panning back and forth and noticed that the image would lag just a tad bit every now and then. I thought to myself, what the ????, not another item to be concerned with in addition to the wiggling lens debacle...

However, after some cursory troubleshooting, I narrowed the cause down to having the OIS enabled. Upon disabling the OIS, I could not reproduce the effect at all. So, when locked down on a tripod, you're definitely going to want to disable the OIS to avoid this particular instance from happening. BTW, I could only get it to happen during a pan, not a zoom.

It definitely does happen and I can reproduce it at will but again, it is caused by having the OIS enabled. Not something to freak out about but just keep it in mind...
 
My 200 LCD has always jumped when on tripod with the OIS on. I often am shooting EPK on sets and I alternate constantly between handheld with the OIS on, then run back to the sticks for some more shooting. I almost always forget to switch the OIS off in the heat of the moment and I am always in some nice pan of a subject far away and in the middle of the pan, the picture will jump or lag. Doh!

Is it me, or does it seem that everyone is just looking for the big initial defect on the 170? I guess this always happens with new cameras. So far, no issues with mine although I will be hooking up to the Letus and really doing some serious testing next week.

Dan
 
im having that jump as well. havent captured the footage yet, so i dont know if its an lcd or camera issue
 
Can we at least agree,


that this camera is putting out some phenomenal footage.


huge improvement over the HVX, in my opinion.
 
Jay Rodriguez said:
Exactly what I have been thinking. I've never seen anything like this before, well regarding a panasonic camera. :huh:
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I think it is because we are getting a light and smaller camera that looks and feels like a DVX but we are paying HVX prices... we might just be a little weirder out by it... it might be psychological more than anything. The bigger wobble issues that only some seem to be having doesn't help either.


I second that it is plain to see that the images are phenomenal. :beer:
 
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