lights for studio?
- Thread starter firehawk
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What do you think about these space lights?
https://dracobroadcast.com/product/dracast-space-light-8000-bicolor/
Bright enough for around 16' high?
https://dracobroadcast.com/product/dracast-space-light-8000-bicolor/
Bright enough for around 16' high?
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
As I said this could be in a seperate small sound proofed room. Remember that for geen you are unlikely to need more than a single person upright unless you are doing people 'riding' bikes or whatever.
You could also get a 20ft sq green cloth for the main room.*
FYI When Ive done green on my big cloth I have the talent stand on a green 8.4 board. This keeps the cloth free of footprints!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGj0my2h..._web_copy_link
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*im voting the main room is all white with curtain rails around the edge to hang green or black (or mandarin or puce)
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Peter C.
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This project to create a studio seems too ambitious. At the end of the day the amount of money you can generate from it is going to dictate what you can do. If this is a hobby or post retirement project you'll have to accept those limitation. This reminds me of that Ryan guy who wanted to produce a feature film without any money. I would begin with the most basic setup for a waist up interview or talking in front of relatively small green screen. Master that and see where it takes you before going all in on a big studio.
I could use a large piece of foam backed fabric green screen run down over a section of the white cyc and then move in a green board for the floor like you said? I'd like to have the green in the large room so I can get further back with subjects and camera, plus utulize the existing lighting already present for the white. Having a seperate sound proofed small green screen room is a good idea I'm just sharing my reasoning for why I'm trying to do green in the big space instead.
Thanks again for all the time and help
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
There is no correct answer - Im just noting that a green upright talking shot with good sound doesnt take much space compared to an audio only booth. I think the ability to do green b/g with good sound is an good seller.
The big space my only concern is (colour) reflections. My green rolled up to the ceiling used to make a little green reflection/hair light (!) when working on white. So getting the green out of a wihte room is to me important.
I think we agreed that soundproofing the big space is not so realistic.
Of course we all want 50mx50 green full soundproof and 50x50 white full soundproof.. but that is not going to happen.
You will make compromises and a good sound green upright seems a thing to have not lose!
Because you can get that shot and stick it on anything ! !
The big space my only concern is (colour) reflections. My green rolled up to the ceiling used to make a little green reflection/hair light (!) when working on white. So getting the green out of a wihte room is to me important.
I think we agreed that soundproofing the big space is not so realistic.
Of course we all want 50mx50 green full soundproof and 50x50 white full soundproof.. but that is not going to happen.
You will make compromises and a good sound green upright seems a thing to have not lose!
Because you can get that shot and stick it on anything ! !
I totally agree.
I remember his long threads
Obviously there is a lot I likewise don't know but I do have some money towards this. I've shot a lot of things over the years but it's mostly been on-location and small temp "sets" so my studio experience is sorely lacking. I know what I want to accomplish and what funds I have so then begins the compromise between the two. If necessary I can build the building, start small inside and then expand with time.When it comes to bates power, lighting grids, space lites, sound deadening, green rooms, dmx, setup ideas etc... I don't really have anyone to go ask so I'm asking here to.
Thanks again for all the time and help.
I don't know. I've never lit a cyc this big before, or this tall, and from above. I've never used space lights before either. Biggest green screen I lit we used diffused tungsten on stands for the wall and floor so this is new territory for me. I look at photometrics and try to figure out falloff etc but I really don't have any on set experience as to just how bright or how many lights I need for a given space the size I am wanting
Right and thank you. Trying to somehow do green and white in the same room is problematic. Like you said the green would best need to come completely out when doing white to avoid reflection issues.
LOL exactly we all want a 50X50 sound proof space of both but not happening for me.
A good even if small sound green upright area does seem like a good compromise especially since I will not be able to do a full soundproof of the big space
Peter C.
Veteran
I totally agree.
I remember his long threads
When it comes to bates power, lighting grids, space lites, sound deadening, green rooms, dmx, setup ideas etc... I don't really have anyone to go ask so I'm asking here to.
Thanks again for all the time and help.
I'm glad you didn't get upset with what I said. A lot people have thin skin and get defensive. I see a lot of people get too wrapped up in the technicals.
Right. Not upset at all. I appreciate all the input on everything. You guys are great
Mitch Gross
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It really comes down to what type of content the greenscreen will be used for. I still say the cleanest, easiest way to do the greenscreen is to make some lightweight foam panels covered in green cloth, put a cyc-style curve at the base, and paint a few sheets of plywood green for the floor. Walk it onto the white set when you need it. If sound and/or color spill is an issue then make some more panels with black acoustic foam glued to it and stand them up around the greenscreen area when you need to. You'd be amazed how much this can help stop reflective audio and also act as negative fill. And then when you want to shoot on a white stage you just walk all this stuff out of the way and store it flat. No one is going back & forth between greenscreen and white cyc often during the course of a production day. You set it up for what you need and don't bother to change it until you need it the other way. I'd even build in some hinges and/or buckles or clamps so that the greenscreen panels could be setup that much quicker.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
It seems to me there are 'two' types of greenscreen job. Static and dynamic. Static.. a person delivers a script. Dynamic could be a cyclist on rollers or something even larger.
For the audio on green Id have a small green room capable of doing a single character on geen full length with an upright camera. FOr begger sets I would indeed make a temporary contruction as Mitch suggests.
In my last studio the failing was sound and it became clear a booth was needed, my intention was always to build that with a green b/g so it could step beyond the VO capability. ANd it were to work rain or shine. Mitchs concept of acoustic foam will improve sound quality but is unlikely to exclude extranious sound such as rain on the roof.
For the audio on green Id have a small green room capable of doing a single character on geen full length with an upright camera. FOr begger sets I would indeed make a temporary contruction as Mitch suggests.
In my last studio the failing was sound and it became clear a booth was needed, my intention was always to build that with a green b/g so it could step beyond the VO capability. ANd it were to work rain or shine. Mitchs concept of acoustic foam will improve sound quality but is unlikely to exclude extranious sound such as rain on the roof.
Run&Gun
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The problem with making a “VO booth green screen room” is gonna be space. For effective green screen, you have to keep the subject off the BG. Early on, I more or less arrived at about seven feet minimum separation for typical interview framing, to avoid spill. And when I see poor green screen today, it’s usually due to the lack of separation between the subject and green screen. If you’re doing any type of proper lighting on the subject and green screen, you need probably a bare minimum of a 10’x15’ to 10’x20’ room. The last green screen job I did last fall/winter(subject in a directors chair, centered, loose framing to see the arm rests), we were in a hotel meeting room that was probably around 12’ to 15’ wide and 15’ to 20’ deep and we used every inch, with the green screen against one wall and the camera all the way to the other. Being a fixed set-up could buy/save some space because of lighting and if the client is willing to work with footage that will require ‘dirty matting’, but it’s still going to need to be way bigger than a typical VO booth.
I think for the OP, he needs to go with a temporary/moveable green screen solution.
I think for the OP, he needs to go with a temporary/moveable green screen solution.
Thank you very much. Let me toss another idea out there to see what you guys think. Build it as a permanent white U shaped cyc but around the top is a U curved rail that follows the shape of the cyc and continues on past the cyc. Attach a ~25X25 foam backed green fabric via grommets and hooks to the rail. The green will slide like a shower curtain onto the white when needed. When not needed, slide it all the way around to the side way clear of the white cyc space.
I don't think the green fabric could conform flat and smooth around the cyc corners but it might work flat on the flat part in-between the corners and then drape on down the bottom radius curve and onto about 10 feet of the floor. For more depth I could carry in a temp green "floor" boards.
So the green would be smaller than the white cyc but still a decent size. Bascially the green would lose the sides entirely and just be a flat green wall curving down to a green floor. Still useful but limited on camera angles due to not having the green U sides.
I also could attach a black fabric.
I still like the idea of a green screen VO room too, and have been hashing out how to incorporate that. My main concern on that is it being big enough. Green sides help with width but I still need to get my camera and talent far back
I don't think the green fabric could conform flat and smooth around the cyc corners but it might work flat on the flat part in-between the corners and then drape on down the bottom radius curve and onto about 10 feet of the floor. For more depth I could carry in a temp green "floor" boards.
So the green would be smaller than the white cyc but still a decent size. Bascially the green would lose the sides entirely and just be a flat green wall curving down to a green floor. Still useful but limited on camera angles due to not having the green U sides.
I also could attach a black fabric.
I still like the idea of a green screen VO room too, and have been hashing out how to incorporate that. My main concern on that is it being big enough. Green sides help with width but I still need to get my camera and talent far back
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morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Id say anything you offer need to be 'proper' and work. If thre is not space for a full upright GS room then go for a thighs up (which doesnt need a green floor) never over promise and under deliver always the other way round.
Mitch Gross
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I've seen such curtain walls and the problem was always stretching them out so that the folds in the fabric didn't cause shadowing that made for a bad comp. Perhaps you could incorporate some sort of segmented rod "stretcher" solution near the bottom to help flatten out the green screen. Also, when storing it off to the side make sure there's a back curtain or a pocket the green screen can be hidden behind so that it doesn't cause any reflective green spill onto the set.
Yeah I was wondering about that because there won't be any hooks or attachment points available on the cyc surface since it's smooth to anchor and stretch the green fabric "wall" to. Perhaps have a rod pocket in the bottom of the green and once we slid the green curtain wall over into position then slide the long rod into the bottom which will force it flat, and also weight it down some to pull downward. Is that what you were saying?
A 25' long rod in the bottom of it would add some weight hopefully not too much
I also like your idea of fabric covered foam panals to carry onto set. I could reinforce the edges so then hinges could be attached. I didn't understand how to curve them though at the bottom.
I think we all pretty much agree that a moveable green screen is the way to go in this limited studio. Or utilize a VO green room
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Thanks again. Maybe have 2 curtain rails, and the one can overlap in front of the other. That way I could cover the green one with black when hiding it. And when I wanted to shoot on black, the green wouldn't be in the way to slide it over onto the white cyc to shoot