heavyG
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Full manual lenses all the way...
Let's talk glass: Lenses for the AF100!
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Full manual lenses all the way...
hscully
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I prefer manual, too. Currently, all my lenses are manual. I need something wide, like the Tokina 11-16 and I really liked the idea of a wide zoom as a variable prime to help framing in tight locations. Yesterday I picked up an Olympus 11-22 f.28-3.5 and the panasonic adapter for it. I did a quick test and I'm really pleased. It's super clean, the camera operates the aperture and it is plenty wide without distortion down to 14mm, but 11 is usable at > 7ft.
It has the same drawbacks Steve mentioned. It clicks when you zoom and it has the infinite spinning focus. Until some one comes up with a manual like this, I think this lens is going to great for my needs.
It has the same drawbacks Steve mentioned. It clicks when you zoom and it has the infinite spinning focus. Until some one comes up with a manual like this, I think this lens is going to great for my needs.
dregenthal
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I had seen but forgotten the one on Vimeo, although I do remember thinking those were cameos of Barry Green at 1:50 and 3:00 <g>.
Nice lens, gotta get one.
Thanks for that.
Barry_Green
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Unfortunately these lenses are made primarily for the still photographer, and that market is overwhelmingly all-electronic now. Goes to show just how rare a thing the Voigtlander and the ZF's are, being true all-manual slick high-quality mechanics (and, is it coincidental, that I have a full set of the ZF's and the Voigtlander?) :thumbsup:
That said, the focus ring on the 7-14 doesn't bother me, it's the best of the Lumix focus rings, and you don't really need to use it all that much anyway. With that lens, pretty much anything from a foot to infinity is in focus under most circumstances.
Iris control is another issue entirely, of course. I don't like how any of the Lumix lenses work with the iris, and I wish they had better iris response.
Barry_Green
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Just a point on the Olympus lenses -- great glass, but that clicking is ridiculous. Lenses shouldn't click when they zoom, and they shouldn't click when they adjust iris. The 14-35 is great/fast glass, but using it with autoiris for a little while, it was just silly. Click-click-click. Darn thing sounded like someone was using a typewriter.
The 7-14 is silent when zooming and when the iris adjusts.
Dino
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I just bought a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8, arrives today. I don't want to invest in anything but 35mm SLR and Cine PL-Mount glass so they can be used with future cameras. We have the Lumix 14-140, but don't expect to add more micro 4/3 or 4/3 lenses going forward. Hopefully the Novoflex Nikon to micro 4/3 adapter will offer adequate iris control for the 11-16.
What I'm not sure about is whether there will be vignetting with the 11-16 on a Super 35mm size sensor, being that it's a DX lens?
What I'm not sure about is whether there will be vignetting with the 11-16 on a Super 35mm size sensor, being that it's a DX lens?
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Jarrett P. Morgan
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I know of many people that use the 11-16 on the RED and on the Sony F3 without problem. Both of those sensors are Super35 sized.
Dino
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Thank you for your response, this is what I thought was the case, but didn't know for sure.
hscully
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Yeah, I'm not crazy about the clicking. I looked at the 7-14 but the 11-22 is what I am trying to cover. I don't think I'd go below 14 often but it's nice to have it and it's a little faster at f2.8-3.5.
Barry_Green
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Actually, neither of them are. The Red, in 4K mode, is 35mm-sized, not Super35; it's 22.1mm wide. And the F3 is a little smaller than the normal S35 frame. It's 23.6mm, S35 is 24.9mm.
The Red Epic is a full S35 size, but the Red One isn't.
Steve Kahn
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A thing to love about the electronics of the 7-14 though, and the reason I chose it over the 11-16, is that it corrects lens aberrations especially geometric barrel distortion.
Yes it is slower but I'd rather light than than deal with super-wide-angle lens issues. In that respect (and in sharpness) the 7-14 is just phenomenal. So no, it's not a fun lens to use. I guess you're right Barry, focus isn't that much an issue if your subject isn't like right next to the lens, but the iris control is terrible. What a lag! I'm still not used to having to slow myself down when I adjust it. Thankfully no clicking though.
Yes it is slower but I'd rather light than than deal with super-wide-angle lens issues. In that respect (and in sharpness) the 7-14 is just phenomenal. So no, it's not a fun lens to use. I guess you're right Barry, focus isn't that much an issue if your subject isn't like right next to the lens, but the iris control is terrible. What a lag! I'm still not used to having to slow myself down when I adjust it. Thankfully no clicking though.
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hscully
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I didn't know about the lag. There's no apparent lag with the Olympus when adjusting the iris from the wheel. My only concern is that in the rare instance when I have to ride the iris, you'd hear it. The mic would be off the camera but it's noticeable. The Olympus 11-22 suffers very little until the very low end. Plus, it looks really good.
Nice, I may have to barney my AF-100. Go figure!
Nice, I may have to barney my AF-100. Go figure!
Jarrett P. Morgan
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I was basing my information on this post over at reduser.net (as well my experiance with it on an executed RED):
Sorry if I wasn't as clear with my information as I could have been.
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Brian@202020
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Since we are talking lenses I want to let you know how pleased I am with a recent purchase. I recently picked up a used Kiron 28-85mm Olympus OM mount for $20 at a local still camera dealer, hell I paid more for the adapter to mount it. I really had low expectations for the lens and thought for $20 hopefully it would tide me over until Panasonic or someone else came out with the perfect zoom, If not not a big waste of money. I really like this lens! It's sharp sharp sharp. I kind of like the push pull zoom for handheld uses, It's way faster, and I found it good for doc style run and gun type shooting. The only drawbacks are it doesn't stay in focus while you zoom. You have to twist as you push or pull, but it's really not to difficult to get it pretty close in focus, and just fine tune once you stop pushing or pulling. Anyway I just thought I'd share.
Barry_Green
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The Duclos Image Circle Database looks like an excellent resource, and according to that, the Tokina should indeed fully cover a full-sized S35 sensor.
Rick Burnett
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You can even use the Tokina at I think 15-16 on the 5D. 
Because I have.
Because I have.
Jarrett P. Morgan
Well-known member
Which is AWESOME news, cause it is a great lens! (as is its little brother the 12-24 f/4)
Steve Kahn
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I fly the AF100 with the Voightlander 25mm on the 4000HD and just love it! I can even use the 4000HD as a sort of monopod by jamming the end into my crotch (careful there!) and kind of squatting a little. Works amazingly well to replace a tripod in many cases and can do great pans and tilts!
Does anyone have any creative ideas about where to hunt for vintage glass? I don't mean Ebay and all of that. I have a pretty good idea of what vintage glass goes for on Ebay already.
I used to know of some guy who sold old cameras at the flea market. When I discovered his set up, I even bought a Kodak 16mm film camera from 1929 for like $10. Sadly, I stopped by today and he wasn't out. It got me thinking where else to look other than flea markets. I guess pawn shops are always an option.
I used to know of some guy who sold old cameras at the flea market. When I discovered his set up, I even bought a Kodak 16mm film camera from 1929 for like $10. Sadly, I stopped by today and he wasn't out. It got me thinking where else to look other than flea markets. I guess pawn shops are always an option.