LED TV or IPS Monitor for Video Editing

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vcfilms

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Hey all,

So I'm looking to add a monitor or TV to my editing suite and would like to find out what you guys are using/would recommend. I currently use a 30" HP ZR30w as my main display (which I believe is 10-bit) or at least it claims to be ;) I am using a 27" LCD monitor as my second display, but I want to upgrade this monitor as my video out for editing and colour grading. My budget is around $600-800 max for this display. I have heard people using plasmas or LED TV's with a 10-bit panel to edit from, but I'm also looking at using a 27" IPS monitor that's 10-bit. I know it's hard to find a lot of options for 10-bit displays that aren't crazy expensive. I found a nice 50" LG plasma that uses a 10-bit panel, but the glare on the screen (from the glass front) is a bit annoyting I think, but it is an option at only $699. Both displays will be calibrated using x-rite or spyder 4 as this is what I have been doing with my current monitors.

Anyways, that should cover it, let me know your thoughts and experiences in this area if you can.

Thanks so much!
 
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I believe you need a Qaudro card (GPU) or the like to display 10 bit. I just mention this as I didn't see your card mentioned.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50516881


Here is a write-up I found that looks interesting on monitors.
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/post-production-hardware-and-software-guides/


I found this also interesting:
http://wolfcrow.com/blog/how-to-handle-bit-depth-in-adobe-premiere-pro-after-effects-and-speedgrade/

I am not vouching for these links but they look interesting and may help.


You are already calibrating your panels so are not a new to this. I don't know if I am adding anything new for you. Generally for big screens the top of the line Panasonic plasma (Panasonic VIERA TC-P55VT50 55-Inch 1080p Full HD 3D Plasma TV (2012 Model)) have been the budget choice for decent budget reproduction.


I am looking to get one to put in an edit bay with about 15 seats behind the editor. But I want to look around since it has been about a year since I have checked out the market. Prices are plunging and quality seems up. Last time I checked the question on big screens was reproducing the blacks. This assumes that you can calibrate the rest of it. Next to your IPS computer monitor an non plasma big screen will have gray blacks.


Now you get into the argument of cut it on a screen that people will watch it on or cut it on as close to reference as possible. Usually the reference crowd wins that argument, but maybe not in every case.

I hope this thread can develop so I can learn more. Good luck.
 
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Thanks guys. Yeah I'm using a Quadro K5000 Graphics card out of the Display Port Connections which does 10-bit so no worries there, but thanks for the note, that is important for sure, as it's all useless if you're not getting 10-bit to begin with. I'll take a look at the links, thanks for posting them. I think the plasma route may be good, it's just the heavy reflections on the screen that gets to me, but they do have good blacks and colours, so this may end up being the route I go. Sony used to make 10-bit panels before, but it seems they have moved back to 8-bit the past couple years, my guess would be to cut costs.
 
vcfilms said:
...but I want to upgrade this monitor as my video out for editing and colour grading.
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The most important thing from a color correction / grading perspective is Rec.709. Not 10 bits, but Rec.709. Hardly any computer monitor will show you this. HDTVs and production monitors do display in Rec.709. If you want to accurately color grade, get a monitor that can show you Rec.709, and get that monitor calibrated.
 
Bruce Watson said:
The most important thing from a color correction / grading perspective is Rec.709. Not 10 bits, but Rec.709. Hardly any computer monitor will show you this. HDTVs and production monitors do display in Rec.709. If you want to accurately color grade, get a monitor that can show you Rec.709, and get that monitor calibrated.
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Thanks for the response. I'd say it's both. Yes, Rec 709 is important, but without a 10-bit panel with 1.06 billion colours, you're only seeing a fraction of what your 10-bit video or 12-bit RAW is showing. So I think having a 10-bit plasma would probably be a much better choice than an 8-bit LED or Plasma, no?
 
I like the LG's. So far they are the only consumer class TV's that are ISF color correction certified. They are the only ones that give consumers access to sophisticated calibration menus that pro displays have.
 
10bit colour has existed in all NVidia cards for a long time. A good example of this is that there are 10bit NVidia drivers for standard GeForce cards, for Linux. NVidia, along with application developers, for some reasons just don't let us have 10bit in Windows using GeForce cards.
 
i found this realy useful: http://nofilmschool.com/2012/09/complete-guide-setting-up-home-color-grading-suite/

Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro
As of this writing, this card is the only affordable way to get a 10 bit signal out of the Mac. To get this signal, you have to use HDMI, as the DVI spec does not support 10 bit. This card has worked great with DaVinci, Premiere, Final Cut, & Color. Unfortunately, it does not act like a graphics card in that it does not send out a desktop feed. It only sends out a monitor feed when using one of the aforementioned applications.
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Razz16mm said:
I like the LG's. So far they are the only consumer class TV's that are ISF color correction certified. They are the only ones that give consumers access to sophisticated calibration menus that pro displays have.
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Yeah, im looking at a 50" LG plasma right now
 
vcfilms said:
Thanks for the response. I'd say it's both. Yes, Rec 709 is important, but without a 10-bit panel with 1.06 billion colours, you're only seeing a fraction of what your 10-bit video or 12-bit RAW is showing. So I think having a 10-bit plasma would probably be a much better choice than an 8-bit LED or Plasma, no?
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Read the Rec.709 spec. How many bits/channel can you send to an HDTV? Similarly, read the Blu-ray spec. How many bits? I'm just sayin' there's a difference in the number of bits you need to manipulate the image, vs. the number of bits you need to display the result. Don't confuse the two.
 
Bruce Watson said:
Read the Rec.709 spec. How many bits/channel can you send to an HDTV? Similarly, read the Blu-ray spec. How many bits? I'm just sayin' there's a difference in the number of bits you need to manipulate the image, vs. the number of bits you need to display the result. Don't confuse the two.
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Good point, but wouldn't it still be better to have a 10-bit panel in the plasma I get, since it's the same price? Although, I guess the question would be can I get a 10-bit signal to that plasma using HDMI via my K5000 card. I know it can do it via display port, I just have to check and see if it can do it via HDMI. I tihnk it would still be better to be able to see 10-bit color on screen when not grading for TV, no? or at least have the option
 
vcfilms said:
Good point, but wouldn't it still be better to have a 10-bit panel in the plasma I get, since it's the same price? Although, I guess the question would be can I get a 10-bit signal to that plasma using HDMI via my K5000 card. I know it can do it via display port, I just have to check and see if it can do it via HDMI. I tihnk it would still be better to be able to see 10-bit color on screen when not grading for TV, no? or at least have the option
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Major brand and model consumer TV's these days, plasmas included, that support XYcc deep color and at least HDMI 1.3 standards are true 10 bit displays. They will accept up to 12 bit encoded video on the HDMI inputs. The actual video signal standards for displayport and HDMI are the same. When you use an HDMI adapter you will get the same output to your TV as you would to a displayport monitor.
 
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Razz16mm said:
Major brand and model consumer TV's these days, plasmas included, that support XYcc deep color and at least HDMI 1.3 standards are true 10 bit displays. They will accept up to 12 bit encoded video on the HDMI inputs. The actual video signal standards for displayport and HDMI are the same. When you use an HDMI adapter you will get the same output to your TV as you would to a displayport monitor.
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Great, I thought that should be the case. What plasma are you using? I'm currently looking at this guy:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...spx?path=9c27ecd764c212d53f522db9b93529bfen02

It has a 10-bit panel and processing so hopefully it does well. Doesn't say anything about XYcc deep color but it should be right?
 
vcfilms said:
Great, I thought that should be the case. What plasma are you using? I'm currently looking at this guy:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...spx?path=9c27ecd764c212d53f522db9b93529bfen02

It has a 10-bit panel and processing so hopefully it does well. Doesn't say anything about XYcc deep color but it should be right?
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Yes it is full XYcc compatible. I am using both an LG IPS PC monitor and an older LG 32" LCD TV for editing. The TV serves double duty as entertainment TV too so I can see how movies and broadcasts track compared to my own grades.
I love LG's. Only consumer TV's that include user access to the full professional service calibration menus needed for calibration with a colorimeter. The ISFccc certification means the set meets broadcast monitor accuracy standards. The guided user calibration wizard is really good if you don't use a colorimeter. Mine is calibrated and saved to the Expert mode, you can then check your video with the standard presets to see how it looks with different setups that people will use out of the box.
 
Razz16mm said:
Yes it is full XYcc compatible. I am using both an LG IPS PC monitor and an older LG 32" LCD TV for editing. The TV serves double duty as entertainment TV too so I can see how movies and broadcasts track compared to my own grades.
I love LG's. Only consumer TV's that include user access to the full professional service calibration menus needed for calibration with a colorimeter. The ISFccc certification means the set meets broadcast monitor accuracy standards. The guided user calibration wizard is really good if you don't use a colorimeter. Mine is calibrated and saved to the Expert mode, you can then check your video with the standard presets to see how it looks with different setups that people will use out of the box.
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yeah, that's kind of the only thing pushing me towards the LG over Panasonic Plasma, because all I hear is how great the Panasonic Plasmas are
 
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