Leaked pictures and video of the new Nikon mirrorless full frame camera

The Z cameras are a no brainer if you already have Nikon lenses but with just three native lenses the Sony cameras seem like a better choice since B&H shows a few hundred still and video E mount lenses.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I just have a hard time taking Nikon seriously considering their lens mount and lack of professional ENG or cinema camera market share. I'm sure its a great camera for those that never plan on moving beyond a DSLR form factor camera but I just find the future too limiting by investing in Nikon. At least m43 has SpeedBooster options to help bridge that gap.
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The d5 is a serious camera for stills - the lenses and af are serious for stills.

I agree with u that serious is a good word - basically anyone serious about video would consider ND and the other elephant in the room - rolling shutter.

I also agree that I’m not convinced that Nikon take video seriously - it’s kind of a key point.

On the other hand a 24fps d5 would eat an Alexa and be very serious.

That what I’d be doing if I were Nikon - I’d have done it 5 years ago.

On a side note my AFP (agency)shooting chum who works seriously with the d5 is not being asked to provide video yet.

Maybe if Getty ap or afp push them they will deliver
 
The aim with these cameras seems to be to stop current Nikon users from switching to Sony. They don't offer anything new, and they lack things like dual card slots, eye-detect AF, etc. They are 75% of what Sony offers, at the same price, but you get to keep your Nikon lenses and UI.

And since the aim is to keep Nikon users from switching, and Nikon users are stills centric and not video centric, they just needed to offer limited video capabilities.

I think these cameras will be a success, but they are not for me.
 
I am baffled by the response of people that are the camera is behind the Sony's. People who have done zero research or are judging a camera they have never used, or are judging spec just from spec sheet. For example viewfinder and rear screen, class leading for mirror less camera, but I hear only that they are one generation behind Sony. The only thing I am not sure off, looking at what people that have had the camera more than two hours is about auto focus in video. But as in this example shows, even this is in contention. 120 fps slow mo it a very good test because you can see every misteps.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/jujhdALwzeo
 
At least they went for it, and aimed at the enthusiast market and seem to have done the best they can with the technology they have available. Their focus issues will probably get better with the next version, and as for the lack of dual slots is something I wouldn't be surprised if that was partly motivated by: not wanting to use SD for whatever reason, but also not believing that people would be able to afford 2x XQD in this market segment. Probably a mistake, but I wonder if there's some buffer implications if they had tried using SD media. I wouldn't be too bothered by it, but of course I'm not an event photographer. Most of my video stuff is single card though.

Canon's mirrorless is rumoured to be very middle of the road, I wonder if they bothered trying as hard or not.
 
Samuel H said:
The aim with these cameras seems to be to stop current Nikon users from switching to Sony. They don't offer anything new, and they lack things like dual card slots, eye-detect AF, etc. They are 75% of what Sony offers, at the same price, but you get to keep your Nikon lenses and UI.

And since the aim is to keep Nikon users from switching, and Nikon users are stills centric and not video centric, they just needed to offer limited video capabilities.

I think these cameras will be a success, but they are not for me.
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I dunno. That Nikon UI is a HUGE draw card over the Sonys. Add the 10-bit video output, and I think you have a very compelling camera.

I'm interested in seeing how the EVF works, and what sort of lag it has in high speed stills shooting. That remains an issue for mirrorless options still.
 
The Nikon UI is a draw card for Nikon users. As a Sony user for the past four years, I know where everything is in my Sony cameras, but I had to use a Nikon D800 some time ago and I couldn't manage to change the WB without asking for help. I'm sure if you get to learn it then it's great, but it's not something that will appeal to people that are used to work with other brands and not Nikon. I see these Z cameras as a (probably very effective) defensive move.
 
Both canon and nikon have WB button/wheel combo.
To be fair Im not sure I can actually remember how to change the wb on my nikon - when you shoot nef its not a control you use!

Nikon users are stills centric and not video centric,

This maybe true, but it is certainly not for me. I own 600/4 400/2.8 (which together cost as much as a Red or suchlike) and many other cheaper nikkors,
-yes I want to use them
-no I dont want to trade them to a different system - that would be a $5k hit
 
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Samuel H said:
Sounds like you're getting a new toy very soon :)
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Nope
no ND is a big -ve
Rolling shutter is a big unknown
Actuall AF performance is unknown.

Im not sure even what camera I 'want' or why. ??

Somthing for run and gun..? (to replace GH4 or allow less use of the Fs7 which I hate carrying about)
Good HD up to 120p is enough 4k8bit is a useful route to nice HD at regular framerates.
Need/want..
ND
audio
view in the sun
good ergonomics
chuck in a bag strngth including cabling not getting snagged

X6 is 40% of the way to that.


Remote head camera.. ?for use on gimbal crane etc. with remote recorder (to replace BMC micro)
Needs
4k 10bit
Imaculate AF

Its 50% of the way to that. Or maybe 90%

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What I really want is a D6 with 200 NEFs per second and stills quality AF and XLR/SSD via some bolt on the bottom/back box (that might be called Red!).. A Nikon motion tool that is as professional as thier top end stills tools.
 
If Canon comes out with a full frame mirrorless with EF mount the party will be over for the Nikon Z mirrorless IMHO. Canon could trim the body down to the size of the Nikon Z7 using an EVF instead of an OVF/mirror box. The EF mount is about the same size diameter as the Nikon Z mount but has a zillion native lenses compared to only three native Z mount lenses !
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http://www.photographybay.com/2018/...mirrorless-to-support-native-ef-mount-lenses/
 
I am kind of unclear if the EF lenses can take advantage of the most modern mirrorless features like new, native lenses designed for the system. Anybody who knows please chime in as it seems like a no brainer if EF lenses are capable. I do not care so much about the size of the camera. For some reason mirrorless has to equal small... Light weight is more important than size imho. A GH5 is a little smaller and a lot lighter than a 5D but still comfortable.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I am kind of unclear if the EF lenses can take advantage of the most modern mirrorless features like new, native lenses designed for the system.
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Designing a lens that does not have to clear a swinging mirror and can put the rear element near the sensor gives a lens designer more options that tend to lead to better performance/cost/mass ratio.

Witness the Fuji E-mount zooms and various cheap samyang wides (16/2)

The big cats (canikon), however, seem to take these advantages.. and make lenses that are cheaper to make and use that to increase their margins without any benefit to the user.

A (FF) 24-150 (even F4) zoom would be my dream lens if it were made of metal and didnt telescope like all consumer zooms.
 
joe1946 said:
If Canon comes out with a full frame mirrorless with EF mount the party will be over for the Nikon Z mirrorless IMHO.
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Quite possibly.

If hoever nikon or a third party made a behind the lens ND using the space then qute the opposite.

I would guess canonwould use thier thinner mount that Ive forgotten the name of, or which cameras have it, and go the adapter to EF route.
 
Yes EF mount on mirrorless makes no sense. They would have to come up with a new mount. Not very likely to happen soon since their EF cameras sell well and the mount is not ha hindrance...
 
Why does the EF mount on a mirrorless camera make no sense? Is it just the size/flange distance or lens features? I am trying to figure this out because I could care less if a new Canon mirrorless camera is as thick as a 5d. Please explain.
 
morgan_moore said:
Quite possibly.

If hoever nikon or a third party made a behind the lens ND using the space then qute the opposite.

I would guess canonwould use thier thinner mount that Ive forgotten the name of, or which cameras have it, and go the adapter to EF route.
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It lookes like the new canon full frame mirrorless has an adapter for EF with slot for drop in filters. Hopefully this would have options for placing ND in that slot.

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