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kairosmatt

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Sort of dreaming, sort of actually doing some accounting...

With the trade in price of the HPX2700 being so good, I was wondering about landscapes compared to the HPX300.

I have a HVX200 and an HMC150, and they both tend to lose much detail in the dark greens and browns, so if your shooting forests (for example) and blow them up big, the small details don't look great.

If using the same codec and same quality lens, would the sensor size of the 2700 or the pixels of the 300 be an advantage in this application?

Thanks for any thoughts!
kairosmatt
 
Very nice images Les-thanks for sharing. I'm going to look through some of your other tests too, see what I can see.

Are there any other opinions or tests out there?

kairosmatt
 
The 300 (I have one) is a great camera for landscapes but are you doing other types of video? If so, and price is NO OBJECT, then the 2700 is a much superior camera. But if all you are doing is landscapes then the 2700 is "overkill".

It's hard to make nature look bad if you are good with composition and wait for the light to be right. It's called "God is my Gaffer". The cameras are put to the real test when you push them to their limits and in that case the 300 is the Chevy Trailblazer and the 2700 is the Land Rover. Both will get you to where you need to go...
 
Thanks for the advice guys!
Mountain Media-I see you are out in CO, we spend a bit of time in Boulder. I think these landscapes really are where I started noticing the effect. Its really more noticeable in backgrounds than in objects up close-and I was just wondering if chips size or pixel density would be the key factor in being able to see leaves moving in the background (wishfull thinking perhaps!)

I can see it in some of the videos you posted, but I assume that most be because of the vimeo compression. The AVC-I straight out the camera must look fantastic on a HDTV.

We will be using the camera for other things, and we are still working on budget and everything, so just trying to know as much as I can up front.

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kairosmatt said:
I can see it in some of the videos you posted, but I assume that most be because of the vimeo compression. The AVC-I straight out the camera must look fantastic on a HDTV.
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Yes, I think it is the compression you're noticing. The sites (Vimeo, YouTube) are getting better, but artifacts at this point are still a very real part of online video life. And yes, the straight signal does indeed look fantastic on an HDTV. I use a Samsung 1080p LCD in my project studio (calibrated using a Matrox MXO2) as my FCP editing monitor and the footage really pops!
 
The Varicam 2700 has 3, 1 megapixel sensors, so it will actually resolve less detail than the 2.2 million pixel sensors of the HPX300. However, the 2700 offers much more image control and flexibility. Plus, according to Panasonic's brochure, the 2700 can output 1920x1080 4:4:4 10 bit images via HD-SDI (which probably doesn't do you any good).

The sensor block of the 2700, being 2/3" is going to give you a cleaner image, especially in low light.

Same lens and same codec : the HPX300 will offer more detailed images in daylight while the 2700 will shine in low light and image control.

A 300 with a nice lens can be very close to a 3700 side by side (both shooting AVC-I 100 using same glass, and same image settings).
 
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