Lacie Little big disk 1TB Thunderbolt2 SSD now available.

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Colinelves

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For those of you who like to live on the bleeding edge of technology (and have money to burn...) the super-fast Lacie Little Big Disk Thunderbolt 2 SSD is now available for purchase.

1,375MB/s transfer speeds are available for those with $1,300 to spend on an external drive.

Personally I'll stick with my somewhat slower G-Drive. Sure, it's only 1/10 the speed at 135MB/s, but it's also 1/10 the price...

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10621
 
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I just put together a Samsung 1Tb EVO SSD, installed into an Oyen MiniPro SATA/USB3 external enclosure. After reading good reviews of Samsung's Magician software buffer, I'm seeing REAL, non-RAID, Read/Write speeds around 360-380 MBps....not bad for the investment of SSD + Sata Enclosure...~$500.

The software works only with the SATA connection.
 
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cuervo said:
I just put together a Samsung 1Tb EVO SSD, installed into an Oyen MiniPro SATA/USB3 external enclosure. After reading good reviews of Samsung's Magician software buffer, I'm seeing REAL, non-RAID, Read/Write speeds around 360-380 MBps....not bad for the investment of SSD + Sata Enclosure...~$500.

The software works only with the SATA connection.
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Huh. Interesting. I've just bought a couple of WD greens just for back up, because I'm cheap, but I have also been thinking about on set backup. Do you know if the software works with Macs? And do you think it will work with the Seagate STAEs I use for the Odyssey SSDs?

At £320 for 1TB, that's mighty good value for an SSD - and if you're getting 360MBps, that should mean you could back up a 256Gb SSD in, what, 15mins? A couple of them might be worth investing in when I have a few more readies.
 
Apparently, the Samsung software works only with the Samsung 840 Evo SSD's. It looks, also, as if the software is for Windows, only, here>
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/MZ-7PC064D/AM

By the way, the Evo 840 product line comes in smaller sizes at lower prices.

I had not enabled the software for my first test, so 360-380 is OK for non-enabled Samsung SSD's. So you're good to go on a MAC with that. After I enabled the "Rapid" software, I'm looking at numbers like 550-570 MBps. Pretty amazing. A check of the internet for the real useability of this "feature" says it's real improvement, reported by Tom's and others.

You know, I wondered about how those Samsung disks would work in the O7Q. I'm not brave enough to try it. My undersstanding is that the CD SSD's have a data header in them to make them unique.
 
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Apparently, the Samsung software works only with the Samsung 840 Evo SSD's. It looks, also, as if the software is for Windows, only, here>
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/MZ-7PC064D/AM

By the way, the Evo 840 product line comes in smaller sizes at lower prices.

I had not enabled the software for my first test, so 360-380 is OK for non-enabled Samsung SSD's. So you're good to go on a MAC with that. After I enabled the "Rapid" software, I'm looking at numbers like 550-570 MBps. Pretty amazing. A check of the internet for the real useability of this "feature" says it's real improvement, reported by Tom's and others.

You know, I wondered about how those Samsung disks would work in the O7Q. I'm not brave enough to try it. My undersstanding is that the CD SSD's have a data header in them to make them unique.
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Yeah, my understanding is that only CD SSDs work - but they they have said they contain a whole bunch of extra safety features - and maintain write speeds right up to 100% - if this is true, I don't think they're too bad value.

Hopefully Samsung will port the software across to Macs, but 360MBs is still pretty good, SSDs are definitely going to be the way to go eventually, at least if you're shooting a lot of slow mo, 2x1TB should cover you in a day, so £640 isn't too bad an add to the kit for it.
 
Colinelves said:
Huh. Interesting. I've just bought a couple of WD greens just for back up, because I'm cheap, but I have also been thinking about on set backup. Do you know if the software works with Macs? And do you think it will work with the Seagate STAEs I use for the Odyssey SSDs?

At £320 for 1TB, that's mighty good value for an SSD - and if you're getting 360MBps, that should mean you could back up a 256Gb SSD in, what, 15mins? A couple of them might be worth investing in when I have a few more readies.
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I've had some issues with greens (in terms of failures), WD have specific drives for NASs and constant running. YMMV though, if you run them mirrored for safety you'll be fine though.

There was a website that recoded the failure rate for different manufacturers drives, i think hitachi came out on top by quite a margin, so i've been buying those 4TB hitachi external drives for offsite backups. Cheaper and faster than LTO.

It would be nice to be able to plug the CD SSDs into something, press a button and have a device suck off all the data without using a laptop or PC. I'm sure these things exist? The backup now button that some NASs have...

cheers
Paul
 
cuervo said:
Apparently, the Samsung software works only with the Samsung 840 Evo SSD's. It looks, also, as if the software is for Windows, only, here>
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/MZ-7PC064D/AM

By the way, the Evo 840 product line comes in smaller sizes at lower prices.

I had not enabled the software for my first test, so 360-380 is OK for non-enabled Samsung SSD's. So you're good to go on a MAC with that. After I enabled the "Rapid" software, I'm looking at numbers like 550-570 MBps. Pretty amazing. A check of the internet for the real useability of this "feature" says it's real improvement, reported by Tom's and others.

You know, I wondered about how those Samsung disks would work in the O7Q. I'm not brave enough to try it. My undersstanding is that the CD SSD's have a data header in them to make them unique.
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I've always hit a threshold with USB3 of around 200MB/s for sustained transfers. I'd be interested to know whether that 550 is sustained? When you get into those figures your system as a whole might be capping in different places.

cheers
Paul
 
paulcurtis said:
I've had some issues with greens (in terms of failures), WD have specific drives for NASs and constant running. YMMV though, if you run them mirrored for safety you'll be fine though.

There was a website that recoded the failure rate for different manufacturers drives, i think hitachi came out on top by quite a margin, so i've been buying those 4TB hitachi external drives for offsite backups. Cheaper and faster than LTO.

It would be nice to be able to plug the CD SSDs into something, press a button and have a device suck off all the data without using a laptop or PC. I'm sure these things exist? The backup now button that some NASs have...

cheers
Paul
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Yeah, but I'm just a lowly cameraman, so the backups are just a courtesy to my clients. If they ever ask for something and it turns out the drive has failed I'll just shrug my shoulders and say 'sorry, I did have a backup, but the drive has failed'. Also, from what I understand, data recovery from busted drives isn't too expensive these days, even if you have to take out the disk itself - I've had quotes of just a couple of hundred quid - and if it's critical footage, it'll be cheap at 5 times that, so if they really really want it, they can pay for the recovery.

As regards instant backup, there's things like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inateck-Ext...mputers_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1G7BNZ1HCVVCJPNPJZ7G - which should, theoretically, work with the CD SSDs.

In fact, I ordered one last night with a couple of cheap 3TB drives (one WD Green and one Seagate - I thought I'd compare the two for speed) just for back ups at home, so I could see how it fares.

Having said that, I'd probably be wary of using such a system anyway since:

a) There's no checksums, so you'd have no confirmation that everything was copied properly.

b) the Odyssey SSDs don't have a standard file system, which means you'll end up copying 256Gbs of data even if you've only shot 10GB of data and if you forget to eject the drives from the 7Q before you off load them I have no idea how easy it will be to get the data off the back up drive (i.e. would you have to format the SSD in your computer, then copy everything on to the SSD and hope the Odyssey recognises it!) which sounds too risky for me!

I'd probably only use it in dire emergencies (like light is failing, we've run out of SSDs and all our back-ups are full, so it was literally the only option left.

I could check that too, but I'd like someone from CD to chip in to confirm I won't kill a drive in the process!
 
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I've always hit a threshold with USB3 of around 200MB/s for sustained transfers. I'd be interested to know whether that 550 is sustained? When you get into those figures your system as a whole might be capping in different places.

cheers
Paul
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Cuervo, have you tried AJA disk test with it? I believe you can get it to run some huge files in and out to get a sense of the sustained write speeds.
 
p.s. sorry about having a go the other day. I have a 3yr old and a 2 month old baby, so I'm a tad tired and grouchy at the moment ;-) plus I tend to be more of a dick in emails and online than I am in person, a personality flaw I'm working on.
 
Colin,
I've run the BMD disk speed test and a Crystal Mark test. Both are consistent with the results. I'm always somewhat dubious when a manufacturer makes claims that are unique, i.e. no one else is even close. I investigated the usefulness of these disk speed numbers as it relates to the characteristics of handling video data files. The internet consensus amongst various talking heads was that these numbers were real. I'm continuing to gain my own confidence in using SSD's like this. One thing for sure is you can't beat the weight, low power consumption and very useable speed of these things. Reliability seems to be excellent, but, that card has yet to win a hand.

Paul,
The Samsung Magician works only with SATA III. It won't work with USB3. I don't know about Thunderbolt. The newer laptops don't come with a SATA port; and, Magician doesn't seem to work with PCIe add-in expresscards...;(. Nevertheless, reports are that these numbers are sustained R/W, not flash only. The 360-380 MBps numbers seem to be sustainable, as I've copied some huge files; and it happened consistently fast. I've also RAID 0 some smaller SSD's with good results. Addonics makes a native SSD RAID device that has similar thruput...
http://www.addonics.com/products/aerd25sn35.php
Unfortunately, these work only with port multiplier aware SATA cards.

Appreciate your kindness, Colin. Thanx. I have my own moments, when things just overwhelm and the dam breaks. No offense taken....at least, I don't hold onto those things. Not to worry. This is a nice community, here. I hope I help and contribute.
 
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cuervo said:
Appreciate your kindness, Colin. Thanx. I have my own moments, when things just overwhelm and the dam breaks. No offense taken....at least, I don't hold onto those things. Not to worry. This is a nice community, here. I hope I help and contribute.
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Definitely! Can't say I always do, but I try.
 
I have used a convergent SSD (512GB) in a Black Magic 2.5K camera and a Samurai Blade. Formatted, no failures, and it behaved just like a normal SSD. I put it back in the Odyssey 7Q and it reformatted fine. Worked just as it should.

Only issue was the black holder tabs. Unscrew both the screws on top and the black tab is still glued. GENTLY rock it back and forth. It is a small thin layer of glue holding it on there. It will creak and crack and the viola it comes off. Screw it back on when you are finished and you should have no issues at all.

Do so at your own risk of course! But my experiences were fine with this.
 
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