kubrick 18mm, 24mm.

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deleuze3

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Hi,
Kubrick was using a 18mm on a Arri flex super 35mm.
According to http://www.abelcine.com/fov/, it gives a 69degree of fov.
I have a 7d camera, and a 18mm lens give a 66 degree of fov.
If i had a full frame camera like the 5d, i would have a 90 degrees fov.

Does it mean that the fov obtained by the 18mm lens of kubrick on his Arri Flex gives the same fov than my crop sensor 60d ?
It means that if i had a full frame, the 18mm would give me something quite far away from what he was using.

Thanks for any comments
deleuze3
 
It surprised me.
Kubrick used a 24mm on an Arri 2c. On http://www.abelcine.com/fov/, i chose 24mm Arri Alexa (super 35mm sensor) and it only gives a 53 degrees fov.

I though kubrick liked some really wider fov.

Anyone can help and tell me if im right?
 
deleuze3 said:
Hi,
Kubrick was using a 18mm on a Arri flex super 35mm.
According to http://www.abelcine.com/fov/, it gives a 69degree of fov.
I have a 7d camera, and a 18mm lens give a 66 degree of fov.
If i had a full frame camera like the 5d, i would have a 90 degrees fov.

Does it mean that the fov obtained by the 18mm lens of kubrick on his Arri Flex gives the same fov than my crop sensor 60d ?
It means that if i had a full frame, the 18mm would give me something quite far away from what he was using.

Thanks for any comments
deleuze3
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This should not be astonishing... the 'standard' frame size for 35mm 'movie' film is different from 'still 35mm'.

While there is some variation... the basic 35mm 'movie film' 4:3 aspect ratio negative area size is 22mm x 16mm. The variations these days are in regard to how many perferations are used to move the film, allowing for a shorter height, etc.

35mm still film on the other hand is 24mm x 36mm, which has a basic aspect ratio of 1.5:1.

For comparison of lens Field of View/Angle of View with 'movie' making, then the 22mm x 16mm negative size would be more comparable.

Hence cameras with the APS-C sized sensor, are more 'equivalent' to standard movie film camera dimensions, and 'optical' parameters.
 
Funny, I came from film background using super16 and 35mm movie. in my head I naturally calculate for 35mm movie. 18mm is a classic wide angel for super35, 24mm is slightly tighter but still feels a bit wide, anything more than 18 usually feels too wide. When all the DSLR boom started I immediately preferred using the 7D and not the 5D because it was much easier for me to choose lenses and the depth of field felt more natural, so for example, I knew that a normal lens will be 32mm or 35mm and I would like to around the 2.8-4F, if I needed to use a 5D, I would need to be around the 4-5.6, meaning using twice or more the amount of lights...so a 2.5PAR HMI will need to be a 6K...:)
 
Kubrick was using commonly a 18mm lens, and sometimes 24mm. So, if i understand correctly, if i put a len of 18mm and a len of 24mm on my canon 60d (ASP-C), i will have a fov similar of what Kubrick had when he was using his camera.

I'm i right ?
I thought he was using more wide angle than that.
Thanks for all your comments by the way.
 
Set design and camera position also contribute to the sense of depth and perspective in his work. Kubrick often used other lenses as well. The maze sequence in The Shining was shot on a 9.8mm Kinoptik lens.
 
Just because Kubrick used camera X or lens Y for a particular shot does not mean it is necessarily correct for each of your jobs.

Might I suggest that before you start buying cameras and lenses that you might or might not need, you invest in a smart phone app like pCAM, which is loaded with useful tools which will help you get a better grasp.
 
deleuze3 said:
pcam is interesting. I havent heard anbout it before. Thanks
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I recommend pCam or Toland for calculating several parameters such as Field of View, Depth of Field, etc.

Both have a number of camera specs so that one selects the camera one is using, and determine the various parameters.

Just 'using' these tools with hypothetical situations will give a lot of 'learning' experience.
 
I made a mistake.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/535/computar-12mm-f1-3-with-full-sensor-coverage-on-the-gh2-and-af100

In this article, the author said that kubrick used commonly a 18mm on super 35mm film. (In 35mm photography terms, it means a 24mm lens)

Conclusion ? To get the 24mm feel of kubrick, on a GH2 (microthird crop factor 2x), we need a 12mm lens.
To get the 24mm feel of kubrick, on a APS-C (1.6), we need a 15mm. (we can use the tokina 11-16mm)

Kubrick used sometimes a 24mm on super 35mm film (in 35mm photography terms, it means a 32mm lens)
Conclusion : To get the 32mm feel of kubrick, on a APS-C (1.6), we need a 20mm.

Nobody saw my mistake, it seems.

Does it means that the 18mm lens that kubrick was using on super 35mm film equals a 24mm lens on 35mm photography (full frame dslr)?

Thanks in advance,
Deleuze3
 
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A 18mm on S35 is equivalent to 24mm on FF and 16mm on Nikon APS-C (15mm on Canon APS-C)

Basically all you need is to know the crop factor, and then apply this.
 
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