I don't know. I guess I'm not enough of a nerd, because this cam does absolutely nothing for me. The 4K thing is way down on my list of priorities. The no changeable lens thing, and abysmal low light performance disqualify it for me right out of the gate. Once you give me that kind of low-light, there is nothing to discuss any further. Goodbye. It's like saying, hey guys, this new sports car has Ferrari wheels... oh, and a Yugo engine. Pfft. And the hassle with multiple SD cards? Insane. I don't know what JVC is thinking, but I cannot imagine this is going to be a big seller for them. But then again, when was the last time they were relevant to indie filmmakers? I say indie, because that's whom I assume they are addressing themselves at that price point.
JVC releases affordable 4K acquisition/display solution
- Thread starter Emanuel
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GioCanales
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+1 Btw, I'm 100% Indie:happy:
BobbyMurcerFan
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JVC is one odd company. They insisted on 720P for the longest time while everyone else was 1080. Now they are going to be the first besides Dalsa, Red and the Sony F65 w/ a 4K camera.
Looks like you had the chance to test a preproduction HMQ10 with the new backlighted sensor. Video samples of the low light tests you ran would be nice to share here.
Will Montgomery
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I just bought an 8k camera for $2500. It's called an Arriflex III 35mm film camera.
Ed Kishel
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:thumbsup:
JVC and Panasonic are both own my Matsushita, so there are always a odd child in the family.
Emanuel
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So? It looks like you have already found one at least.
A camera to me is like a woman. You should not expect the best of her performance in every corner all the time, just in most part of it. If you'll push her too much you'll always end out of the edge. Someone will get the best of her on your behalf.
Emanuel
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John Caballero
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Hey, what the heck, 4K at an affordable price? Why not? Oh, they are coming now. Panasonic is already sharing info with JVC don't you think? I've said it many times before, the big guys are loading their guns and aiming at the next generation. If RED says is 4K, 4k it is. It will be a great battle.
hawaj
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And I thougt it was sold to some Texas financial group? :happy:
Buck Forester
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I don't get the big leap to 4K. I mean, I still just want a good EX1 type camera that simply shoots 1080 60p. If they want to go up to 2k 60p, fine with me. But jumping to 4k? I don't think the target market for a $5,000 4k camera is going to be people who actually need 4k. Rounding out the 1080p cameras with higher bit rates and frame rates would seem the next logical step.
Buck Forester
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I might as well ask it here... are there cameras out there yet in the EX1 price range that will shoot 1080 60p? I'd like to be able to shoot slo-mo at full rez more than anything.
bruceallen
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NEX FS100 seems like the closest match?
Also: Panasonic camcorders (under $1000 TM90, 3CCD Z10000 in non-stereo 60p mode), AF100 etc.
Oh yeah - and this JVC 4K cam can do 1080p 60 as well
Bruce Allen
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Barry_Green
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There's practically no difference (certainly not a substantial difference!) between 2K and 1080p. 2K = 2048 pixels wide, 1080p = 1920 pixels wide. The difference is only 6.67%.
4K is 4x the size of HD, twice as wide and twice as tall, so that's a substantial enough jump to justify it being a new format. 2K is almost just a repackaging of what we've already got.
Buck Forester
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Gracias, Barry. I was thinking 2k because that seems to be what a lot of theaters use for digital projection. I'm sure it will all be going 4k eventually (and beyond), but it doesn't seem like the market beefed up the 1080p cameras yet... like where's 1080 60p in these cameras with 422? It's tough enough to even find a 1080 30p camera with 1/2" chips that will do 422 at 50 mbps (I know the Canon XF305 has 422 but not 1/2" chips). There really aren't many 1080p options on the market with the right bit rate and color space and frame rates to bypass it all and jump to 4k. If external recorders can do the color space and bit rate nicely, you'd think they could slap that inside a camera. But that still leaves 60p off the table. I would like a standalone ENG style camera (like the EX1 or Canon XF305) with at least 1/2" chips, 422 color space, 50+ mbps and shoot 1080 60p. But 4k is all the rage and they're not even close to polishing off the specs at 1080p.
Barry_Green
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1080p is still in its infancy. As far as I know SMPTE and the broadcasters haven't even agreed on a standard for it yet.
4:2:2 1080/60p? I don't think it exists at any chip size, much less 1/2". And there aren't any external recorders that can do 1080/60p yet, are there?
4:2:2 1080/60p? I don't think it exists at any chip size, much less 1/2". And there aren't any external recorders that can do 1080/60p yet, are there?
Buck Forester
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It just seems if they can get 4K to hit 60p and beyond, why can't they get measly little 1080 to do the same thing? Doesn't this relatively cheap new JVC 4K rig do 60p at 1080p? I don't know what the color space or bit rate is on it, but I hope manufacturers don't skip 1080 and just go to 4k with all the bells and whistles they never bothered to get into the 1080 cameras. You menionted no camera does 4:2:2 at 1080/60p... don't all the newer RED and ARRI 4k/5k cams do that and then some?
bruceallen
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Sorry - I am having major difficulties understanding why you would rather have 1080/60p 4:2:2 than 4K/60p 4:0:0?
That 4K/60p video will downconvert to lovely 1080/60p video with 4:2:2-level chroma info if that's all you want. What's wrong with that?
Bruce Allen
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