JVC Introduces 24p HDV

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Some time I wonder in this thread what topic are we actually discussing  :-/

Pl excuse me for this remark...I actually agree with the above comments about content and form etc...BUT had it MAINLY (or ONLY) been the content of a production, so many professionals would not have bothered themselves to sell their PD150s, XLs 1 etc to get a DVX100. ..or 100A.

Technology matters.

JUST a remark
 
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We concern ourselves with technology and such because better is better. But in the overall scheme of things, content is far more important. As my most-promoted example, look at "The Simpsons" -- it's not shot with any camera, it's about the lowest-quality animation on television, yet it's been on the air longer than any sitcom in history.
 
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True... Without content what do you have?

However, without 24p video technology what do we have?

I'm not an animator. I'm not a writer.

So, the 24p video technology is more important to ME as a videographer.

BTW, The Simpson's ROCKS! I love that show. Matt Groening is a genius.

It's interesting to see the little nuances that changed over the seasons.
For instance, Homer's voice had more of a nasal sound in the earlier seasons.
 
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[quote author=Terry_Lasater link=board=nws;num=1081536552;start=0#23 date=04/15/04 at 21:39:37]
However, without 24p video technology what do we have?[/quote]
Butt-ugly video that looks like a cheap soap opera.

I've seen some extremely well-lit, well-composed digital betacam stuff that was so VIDEO that it was painful to watch... these people spent so much time and effort and money, and came away with something that looked like video.

Nobody should underestimate the power of the frame rate! Like I said, we like better BECAUSE it's better. Better always helps. But to anyone who doesn't understand the distinction, I invite you to attend any screening at the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival. Doesn't matter when or where you go, or what screening you see, if it's in that festival it's almost guaranteed to be bad. And you'll see some DVX stuff there, I'm sure. And then the point will clearly be understood by all -- #1 most important is story, #2 is screenplay, #3 is acting, #4 is direction... capture technology is down there around #9 or so. It's important, sure, but nowhere near as important as shooting something of value...
 
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But everyone is not Matt Groening ...either ;D ;D ;D

or Barry Green.... ;) ;) ;)
 
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[quote author=Aejaz link=board=nws;num=1081536552;start=25#25 date=04/16/04 at 01:07:05]

or Barry Green.... ;) ;) ;)[/quote]

Well, thank heavens for that! Otherwise the world'd be full of 40-year-old slightly-balding know-it-alls who talk too much and melt people's brains with too much technical blather! Trust me, one is enough! ;D
 
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Barry Green wrote:
Well, thank heavens for that!  Otherwise the world'd be full of 40-year-old slightly-balding know-it-alls who talk too much and melt people's brains with too much technical blather!  Trust me, one is enough!  
Click to expand...

Well, that's better than being a 40-year-old slightly-balding know-it-SOME
who really doesn't consider himself to be a 'technical' person, anyway. ;D

Yes, Barry we do treasure you. Not that you didn't already suspect such.
;)
 
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[quote author=Aejaz link=board=nws;num=1081536552;start=0#20 date=04/15/04 at 09:44:21]I actually agree with the above comments about content and form etc...BUT had it MAINLY (or ONLY) been the content of a production, so many professionals would not have bothered themselves to sell their PD150s, XLs 1 etc to get a DVX100. ..or 100A.

Technology matters.
[/quote]

In my comments extolling the virtues of content, I mentioned that whether we're producing good content or bad, we want it to look the best it possibly can be.

Regarding selling those other cameras to get a DVX100. It is too obvious to say why - for an independent filmmaker, the DVX is the most reasonable, practical game in town. If you want to shoot something that looks like film, you can use a DVX100, or use one of those others and a lot of compromises and/or workarounds.

Given that the DVX is the most practical and inexpensive tool for producing that genre of output we call "film look" (a field previously dominated exclusively by, er, film!), then we can talk about quality output. Betacam, Studio 1", DV, D1, D2, etc. are all VIDEO. And the finest quality video does not look like film, it looks like soap opera, which is a genre of drama shot on video. You can shine an apple up all you want, but it will not look like an orange.

The film look of the DVX may not be appropriate in some applications, like a game show, or an "in your face" local used car commercial, etc.

Bottom line: Great Content + the right kind of tools for the particular type of job = something worth watching.
 
Since this thread started with an HD camera link

Since this thread started with an HD camera link

I know this is the WRONG forum for this, but I posted in the "HD for the masses" forum at 2-pop and got no response at all.

As I understand it, the specs for HDV include 4:2:0 sampling. My question is, IN THEORY, would this make for an easier time pulling good chroma keys? I know of all the various techniques, plug-ins, and workarounds currently availble for DV users to pull keys, but wouldn't it be nice to not have to work around the limitations of chroma sampling?

Anyway, just hoping someone might have an answer, a theory, or a hint...

Thanks!
 
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HDV is going to have a much easier time pulling keys of any type, because you're going to have two to five times as much resolution. 4:1:1 vs. 4:2:0 is basically a zero-sum game, you're getting proportionally the same amount of color sampling, just in a different pattern. But the HDV resolution will make for inherently cleaner keys anyway (provided that the camera using the HDV chips is halfway decent, of course).
 
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Thanks, Barry. I'm sure I had the higher resolution in my equation originally, but somewhere along the way I forgot what the H in HDV stands for, I guess. ::)
 
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Pardon me for being dumb, but how do I log in here? I keep showing up as a guest, but I remember giving my e-mail address and creating a profile....

But okay, we were discussing the issue of quality of image vs. quality of content and yes, in my own perfect world, I would shoot 35mm on an Arriflex in Panavision. I'd also have my house paid off. Life is about compromise (geez, is it ever). I am willing to make some sacrifices in resolution to create a product that is compelling and will make people take notice.

Sure, we are all here because the DVX100A allows us to get closer to our ideal, which is approaching the look of film stock. But my last DVD, shot with a Sony TRV350 and a Canon GL1 had people saying, "The end made me cry." I am assuming that it was because of content, not image quality.

I'm very lucky in that I can not only script (I am a professional writer), but also AD a project (I was Creative Director and AD for several big agencies in Orlando and Sacramento), score it (I play many instruments and also have my own sound design company, Stratus Sounds) and most importantly, shoot the images. I am 54 and not afraid to say, "I don't know it all." Which is where you guys come in. Agree or disagree, no matter. That we are here and sharing our viewpoints, no matter how different they may be, is amazing. Everyone here has my respect and admiration.

And in the end, I must thank our founder for this most wonderful opportunity!
Without his efforts, we'd be SOL. So if we have not said thank you loud enough, or often enough, I apologize. Herewith are my own heartfelt thanks to Jarred and to all the contributors.

With the greatest respect,
Jim
 
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Hey Jim, WELCOME ABOARD!

And yes, we all owe Jarred a great deal of gratitude... he's the man ;)
 
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