Jvc gy-l300

Matt Allard at dslr newsshooter did a test with the new firmware of the odyssey 7Q+ with the JVC ls300 using a good quality lens, a zeiss 100mm and I did not see the chromatic aberation and pink fringed highlights on previous tests, so perhaps we can say that was a lens issue.
 
In one side this camera really looks underwhelming and the images barely better looking than AF100 images. In the other side there are some very LOL worthy comments here expecting and demanding that a $4000 camera be an Alexa or even FS7.
 
You are right, of course, however I don't think ii's outside the realm of possibility for a $4000 camera to produce images that are on par with the BMD Pocket Camera, which lists for $999 and is often on sale for less.

Fact is, the market for this camera is probably mostly those who had hoped for an AF100 successor, which initially cost $5500 if memory serves. A pro-featured (NDs and XLRs) box that will accommodate all those accumulated MFT and MFT modified lenses - but with 4K, wider DR and not exhibit chroma clipping and other highlight weirdness.

I think everyone here just wants this offering to be as good as it can be - given that JVC (unlike Canon, Sony and Panasonic) don't have to worry about it competing with their more upscale products.
 
Sttratos said:
there are some very LOL worthy comments here expecting and demanding that a $4000 camera be an Alexa or even FS7.
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- Alexa's latest cameras use the same sensor as the first, announced 6 years ago.
- The Blackmagic Pocket has nearly the dynamic range, for $1,000.
- In most real-world shots, dynamic range seldom exceeds 10 stops. So the difference in the looks of today's cameras isn't their sensors' dynamic range. It's grading, either in the camera or the edit suite. Alexa's dual-gain architecture doesn't increase dynamic range. It's just a preliminary grade. If you shoot a Canon 5D raw and know what you're doing when grading it, you get great results.

 
combatentropy said:
- Alexa's latest cameras use the same sensor as the first, announced 6 years ago.
- The Blackmagic Pocket has nearly the dynamic range, for $1,000.
- In most real-world shots, dynamic range seldom exceeds 10 stops. So the difference in the looks of today's cameras isn't their sensors' dynamic range. It's grading, either in the camera or the edit suite. Alexa's dual-gain architecture doesn't increase dynamic range. It's just a preliminary grade. If you shoot a Canon 5D raw and know what you're doing when grading it, you get great results.

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If you like post sharpened and over saturated video and think this is image quality then good for you. I was going to reply to the rest of your post but I stopped taking you seriously when you compared a pocket camera to an Alexa.
 
5D RAW is very sharp without post sharpening. I think you are mixing the h.264 with the RAW. The two are miles apart.

(and Combat did not compare the pocket camera with Alexa. He just pointed out that it has nearly the dynamic range. If you consider that a "camera comparison" then you will unhappy on this forum.)
 
Hope this thread hasn't been derailed by "my camera is better than yours", cuz I don't care -

I really want to know what someone - anyone - who has actually touched the JVC and seen out-of-camera footage thinks of it - concerns me that there has been no comment since the production version has actually been demonstrated - I cancelled my pre-order (too chancy until I know something more).
 
We are trying to get the footage up now as i write.....Also, just got the confirm that our first shipment is on it's way!

Jim Martin
 
Sttratos said:
I think at this point is safe to say there is nothing impressive about this camera.
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No, it's not safe to say....we've had the camera for 3 weeks, shown it to many working people in town, big rental houses, film schools, etc......all saying they were impressed. Maybe you should give the camera a real look in person before you dismiss it...

Jim Martin
 
I'm wondering if the sampled size of the sensor impacts the image quality, and if so then to what degree.

What I'd like to see is a UHD and an HD footage comparison using different crops of the sensor. If someone could use put a nice (Zeiss?) super-35mm lens on it, and then record test footage at various sampled sizes of the sensor. Then we can compare the footage to see if the IQ is better using the full sensor, or half the sensor, or some other size.

Does this interest anyone else? Does anyone have any thoughts on how the sampled sensor size could affect the image quality?
 
Benjobe said:
I'm wondering if the sampled size of the sensor impacts the image quality, and if so then to what degree.

What I'd like to see is a UHD and an HD footage comparison using different crops of the sensor. If someone could use put a nice (Zeiss?) super-35mm lens on it, and then record test footage at various sampled sizes of the sensor. Then we can compare the footage to see if the IQ is better using the full sensor, or half the sensor, or some other size.

Does this interest anyone else? Does anyone have any thoughts on how the sampled sensor size could affect the image quality?
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I had the same thoughts, Benjobe!

Is there a 'sweet spot' where you get the best image from the sensor(?)

It would be interesting to see a test. I'm sorta surprised we haven't seen one with all the odd footage being posted.

Variable scan mapping is a great feature, but is there an IQ trade-off at certain sizes(?)
 
TFilipiak said:
I had the same thoughts, Benjobe!

Is there a 'sweet spot' where you get the best image from the sensor(?)

It would be interesting to see a test. I'm sorta surprised we haven't seen one with all the odd footage being posted.

Variable scan mapping is a great feature, but is there an IQ trade-off at certain sizes(?)
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I would think the laws of physics would require at least a theoretical fall-off in quality with variable scan mapping footage. To amplify your point, is it noticeable and distressing quality degradation? I think we'll have our answer in a month or two.

I recall that JVC's fallback is that the LS 300 isn't being "marketed as a cinema camera" which to me implies a generally understood quality gap of some measure. I understand the desire to reach a wider potential customer base as the cinema market by definition would be a relatively small one, but the admission causes some concern.

As quoted in a newsshooter.com review, "JVC representitives told me the GY-LS300 is not being marketed as a cinema camera. They are targeting the GY-LS300 for use in educational markets, news gathering and as an alternative to conventional DSLR cameras."

IMHO, if JVC feels they have a camera producing "cinema quality," they would have phrased it differently. Perhaps, "While producing images on par with the current crop of cinema cameras, the GY-LS300 is being marketed as more appropriate for... etc..."

Source:
http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/02/...dget-super-35mm-camera-with-a-micro-43-mount/
 
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80% crop for the MFT lens from the s35 UHD should give you about 6.5 MPX in the center (mostly).
 
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