Just got a new camera - Sony F35

Not an ideal test but FWIW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUl_iuWHx2g

F35 starts at 2:30 D21 follows

Ive only played with the D21 once during a camera prep so I can't speak to its performance (aside from it struggling with low light), but what I hear is it can make really pretty pictures but the sensor clips pretty fast- I think its kinda somewhere in between the old red-M sensor and the M-X as far as DR, probably closer to the M but with a lot nicer color.
 
leteeci said:
course..but I had read that you guys have problems with getting 50p out of F35..
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Not in that sense to my knowledge... getting the F35 to output 50p is quite simple. Recording the output is a hassle though, because only select recorders support it. But I think you'd have the same difficulty in terms of recorder selection if you were shooting on the D21.
 
I was really tempted to buy a D-21 to go alongside my F35, but I realised the F35 was pretty much superior in nearly every way.
 
I shot 50p 4:2:2 to the Odyssey 7q to DPX no problem - *SOON* (hopefully) they'll have 50p straight to ProRes HQ as well. The nice thing about the O7q in that setup is that with the dual link directly to it you can jump between 24/30p 4:4:4 and 50p very quick.
 
leteeci said:
course..but I had read that you guys have problems with getting 50p out of F35.. would it be possible to get the same look with F35:

http://vimeo.com/46773863
http://vimeo.com/27967741
http://vimeo.com/26420053

( or it is just at ARRIRAW case which have the hard workflow..not the 4:4:4 D21 route )
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You may not get the same look, but dare I say- you may get a superior look than those references you posted ; )

Like other people said the problems with the 50p are from not having the right recorder (dual link is needed with a recorder that supports the 50p signal) and so you would have similar issue on the d21.

I do think people may have been trying to figure out if you get an 3db increase in noise from 50p on the f35- I'm not sure about that if thats what you meant.
 
"if you get an 3db increase in noise from 50p on the f35"

yes.. and taking that into account ( if that is the only problem ) seems that f35 is still better option than D21..

Thanks for your opinions/answers!!!
 
I have no direct experience of shooting the D-21, but I know from both ARRI and people who have worked with it that its base ISO sits around 160 - 200, and it gets very noisy, very fast if pushed.

It is also built like an old school ARRIFLEX - size and weight comparable to a 35mm camera. To be honest, a lot of that is in the optical finder - the ALEXA Studio is no handycam.
 
How to find how many hours the camera has? I downloaded the manual and can't see where to look for the hours in the head. I found a camera to rent and they say they maybe sell it to me if I like it after rent. So I want to check how many hours. I asked them by email they say they can't find the hours in menu. Somebody know which menu?
 
Maintenance menu I believe, can't remember the page number. Someone else will know if they have their camera to hand. It is quite easy to find.

Personally I really wouldn't be bothered about the hours of a camera. Unless it's something silly like 10,000+. These are solid state devices and do not have moving parts like a tape deck does (the tape deck will have its own hours counter).
 
Sure but how do I know it doesn't have 10,000+ hours? I read that more than 3,000 is probably bad.

I now found the menu in manual. Thanks.
 
Well the hours counter will tell you that it doesn't.

The main thing I'm saying is if a camera seems good, is the right price, and everything is right, don't walk away from it because the hours feel a bit high. These cameras do not need maintenance like a mechanical or tape camera does.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. Sony tape decks used to be warrantied for 1500 hours and I saw some with 5,000 hours on that looked brand new. Those are incredibly complex bits of electronics with a lot of small, precision moving parts.

Would you check an hours meter on a computer? That is what the F35 body is.
 
I ask because I read here somewhere that 3000 hours may be too much. I think somebody even say no more than 1500 which honestly seem low. Also read many hours on sensor matters and may even make it more noisy.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the hours, but the comment about sensor noise seems to hold some truth. There have been reports of quite varying noise profiles between the forum members' cameras.
 
Sometimes my camera seems noisy as hell, other times as clean as anything I've ever used. I find it has a lot to do with the sitauation.

The bottom stop or two are noisy, the rest is very clean. Anything over about 25% on the waveform is usually quite clean. Temperature of the camera, etc... affect it.

I got a new lightmeter today for the first time in ages. I think the F35 works well with one - but it shows you sometimes how much you're under-exposing by - more than you think sometimes!
 
Hey,

It's been kinda quiet here. Just wondering if the consensus is still in favor of the F35/9000PL. Are you guys still shooting a lot on these cameras? Are customers insisting on 4K? I'm looking to upgrade and my head tells me SONY F3, is a screaming deal right now as everyone and their brother is dumping theirs. But then I see the pictures made by the F35 and I just can't resist...

If you had it to do over TODAY, would you? Is this camera still practical to use, pay off in today's 4K obsessed culture? I'm grading some F35 footage this next week so I'm gonna see what I got, (my first time out with the F35.).
 
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