Just got a new camera - Sony F35

Strictly talking about DR and nothing else, I´m curious to see where the F3 compares to the F35. I have the feeling that Slogged F3 has more DRin the shadows and almost the same ammount of highlights. The F3 is a great camera in this aspect. C300 and Red are clearly behind, allocating more stops in the shadows and not enough in the highlights.

Colorimetry on F3 and C300 are not in the same ballpark as Red, and not even worth comparing it with the F35.

In terms of resolution, all those cameras officially shoot at 1080p. Right. Until the moment you put them together and discover how the F35 footage shows more detail than the others while using 0 sharpening. I remember this characteristic when comparing the F35 vs the Red one a few years ago. No matter how we scaled down the 4K footage from the Red down to 1080p, the F35 always seemed to show more detail while still give very natural (non-sharpened) images.
 
macgregor said:
Strictly talking about DR and nothing else, I´m curious to see where the F3 compares to the F35.
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According to the SCCE, the F35 clocked in at 11.3 stops of dynamic range, and the F3 (withOUT S-Log) clocked in at 11.2. So I would expect that you're right, the SLog'd F3 would definitely have more DR than the F35.

In terms of resolution, all those cameras officially shoot at 1080p. Right. Until the moment you put them together and discover how the F35 footage shows more detail than the others while using 0 sharpening. I remember this characteristic when comparing the F35 vs the Red one a few years ago. No matter how we scaled down the 4K footage from the Red down to 1080p, the F35 always seemed to show more detail while still give very natural (non-sharpened) images.
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As compared to an F3, the F35 is definitely quite a bit higher res; the SCCE clocked it at 680 lines, the F3 at 540. But nowhere near what the Red MX showed, which was 1080 lines.

Numbers and comparisons taken from this article.
 
If I´m not mistaken, that´s the same test used for this chart, right?

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This kind of illustrates my point. It´s not how much DR you have, it´s where you have it (I still take these tests with caution, there are too many things I didn't agree with when I watched them).
 
Amazing, I always come down hard on Sony for delivering such a strong inescapable "video look" that simply lacks the cinematic appeal other cameras have... but man, I have to say the F35 is just incredible. Even if the F3 has more DR with S-Log, it doesn't even get to sniff what's going on here... I wonder what it is that Sony puts into their ultra high end cameras that finally gives it that "filmic" touch, it's certainly not just DR otherwise the F3 would be comparable, but it's just not. I'm definitely jealous, although for poor people like me the BMCC will be a decent compromise.

I agree that the F35 is still the most cinematic high end camera out there, but I also think Alexa is pretty darn good looking too.
 
There was this old test where they compare the Panavision Genesis (where the F35 comes from) and film. It's a pity it´s not available in HD, but it is at least very useful for the purpose of analyzing dynamic range and colorimetry. And in this test it's hard to tell which one is which.

 
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Yeah that's impressive, it's pretty hard to tell which is which. How much did you pick this up for? As a rental that's probably been around the block once or twice I imagine that you got some kind of decent deal on it.
 
That's an interesting thread. The F35 does look very attractive at RED ONE prices. I had no idea they were going for that much till a few weeks ago when I also saw the Arri D21 body for less than a new F3. It's of course already sold now. :)
I think the D21 would also be a good deal. I always liked its image better than the Sonys and it has the optical viewfinder and physical shutter.
How do you think they compare, specially for us normal mortals? The F35 seems easy enough with an SSD external recording and an EVF so I guess you only need a body.
 
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Miguel, can you capture the off-speed 1-50fps output from the F35 at 24p on the Hyperdeck Shuttle to create slow and fast motion footage?
 
Well you can dial any frame rate from 1-60 on the F35, but your recorder needs to understand it. I tried it and it gets messy unless you´re using multiples of whatever framerate you´re using, since the recorder will keep recording at the framerate that the SDI signal carries.
 
macgregor said:
Well you can dial any frame rate from 1-60 on the F35, but your recorder needs to understand it. I tried it and it gets messy unless you´re using multiples of whatever framerate you´re using, since the recorder will keep recording at the framerate that the SDI signal carries.
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I feared as much, so does 48fps play friendly with 24fps for 2x slow-motion?
 
Oh well, with the Hyperdeck, you´ll be safe with the following (project set at 24p):

60
50
30
25
24 ---
12
6
3
1

That´s plenty of possibilities with a $300 recorder (note that beyond 30fps you´ll need to record interlaced since the hyperdeck doesn´t go that fast).
 
Damn, so no proper slow-motion without the BIG Sony/Codex recorders? :(

Thanks for the answers mate, you've inspired me to quite seriously look at getting used a F35 myself. I was thinking to use it with my PIX240.

How have your clients responded to the camera so far? Are any concerned that it's 'out of date'? Or are you in a position where most let you use whatever you want?
 
Well, you can always get the sony HDcam recorder for like another 5 grand lol. I haven´t looked into this in detail. Maybe the gemini can take advantage of the slow motion.

To be fair, I bought the camera to record birthdays and travel videos. Lol. If I'm hired as a director, production will provide cameras and everything, I don´t need to bring my own.

BTW, I´m having a custom built Nikon mount built hopefully this week for the F35, which is great, because I have a ton of nikon lenses and this will open the door to cheap but high quality optics on this camera that I can use when traveling. Also, believe it or not, the whole camera package, including lenses, V-mount batteries + charger, evf and hyperdeck fit in this bag, which was designed for an HVX200: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PU9SQU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

So while not comparable in size to a DSLR, it's definitely manageable.
 
Haha, an F35 for birthday parties?! Wow... :beer:

So you don't actually expect to use it for paid work?
 
Nice thread you have here, Miguel. My personal compliments :-)

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Colorimetry on F3 and C300 are not in the same ballpark as Red, and not even worth comparing it with the F35.
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Aside F35 or other camera comparisons, RAW will always be superior as far as color goes, it doesn't matter what.

And uncompressed can also help it, no matter the quality of codec we have.

This test recent shot by Frank says a lot. Yet, it is very likely useless to remind he has preached in these same boards for uncompressed use as much as possible, even when we have the media storage each day more affordable these days. He is fully right, (de)pending on budget and other circumstances, of course.

 
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