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Zim

Zim

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I stopped at the Indy Apple store to look at a new iMac. On the iMovie programs they had a short video recorded with the sony Z1. It was really good. . I've heard how bad it is but I watched this skating video on the biggest screen they had and it was really good. It was shot at 1080i at 30p.

Maybe this format won't be good for the big screen(maybe it will) but for wedding, events, etc,etc,, what I saw,I think it will be around for awhile.

Not to mention HDV handycames in a few years.

It also make me wonder how good the HVX will be too. If 1080i is that good,,,,1080p!!I can't wait to see that.
 
Sfa the skater video (which I saw on a 23" display) was shot outdoors, in other words there was plenty of light to compensate for the cameras poor low light ability, and the footage crumbles apart from variable resolution artifacts when viewed frame at a time. Those flaws are generally only noticeable if you're looking for them. The footage was Sony FX-1, I understand. I agree the footage looked stunning; like looking through a window.
 
Keystone is a good store. I will probably get the 20" iMac. They told me it was shot with the Z1. But both are probably about the same. I really think it a couple of years the Best Buy shelfs will be stocked with HDV camcorders. Maybe its not as good as others but it will replace DV.
 
Zim, I'm glad you enjoyed the FX1 footage and your trip to the Apple store. But unless you really need it now, I'd wait on that 20" iMac. Apple's switching to Intel processors you know. That's gonna be good. Also, I think another speed bump might be on the horizon for late summer/early fall.
 
Zim said:
It was shot at 1080i at 30p.
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Eh?? 1080 interlaced 30 fps progessive?:huh:

I have heard it will be a while before the intel chips arrive in Macs. If you need something now, I really wouldn't wait! All computer technology is outdated very quickly. I would only wait if you have specific release dates and no need of the kit before then. :)
 
mmm, the FX1/Z1 can shoot 1080i at 30fps and 24fps in progressive mode, known as Cineframe mode, but it's done in a weird way that makes it almost useless when in 24fps mode. However, the 30fps mode has been recieving a lot of praise and I have to agree, it does look more pleasing than the 24fps mode.

If you were to compare this to anything, compare it to Canon's Frame mode, not real progressive but close. =)
 
Jack_Felis said:
mmm, the FX1/Z1 can shoot 1080i at 30fps and 24fps in progressive mode, known as Cineframe mode, but it's done in a weird way that makes it almost useless when in 24fps mode. However, the 30fps mode has been recieving a lot of praise and I have to agree, it does look more pleasing than the 24fps mode.
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I'm not doubting what you are saying but that makes no sense to me??????
1080i means = 1080 interlaced so if it's shooting 30 frames per second then isn't it recording 60 fields interlaced?
If it's shooting 30 frames per second progressive then wouldn't it be shooting 1080p?
I'm with mmm on this one..:huh:
 
It is basically a deinterlaced 1080p, much like canons "frame mode" on the Xl1. So while you could say 1080p, it really isn't, it is still 1080i, being deinterlaced.
 
Right. CineFrame30 is 540x1920 instead of 1080x1920. Not exactly 540P (since vertical is unaffected) but neither is it 1080P (since there aren't 1080 horizontal) It's just "CineFrame30"

Panasonic AG-HVX200 will do genuine 1080P.
 
All I know is at the top of the screen on iMovie it had 1080 30. I just figured it was 1080i at 30p and again it look really good.

I willl probably get a new mac about the same time as I buy my next camera. They said in the Apple store it will probably be a couple of years before we see apple's with intel chips.
 
Zim said:
I willl probably get a new mac about the same time as I buy my next camera. They said in the Apple store it will probably be a couple of years before we see apple's with intel chips.
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Indeed, there's no need to hold off purchasing a Mac right now in anticipation of the Intel chips. It could be as long as two years before an Intel processor finds its way into the iMac. In the Professional world, two years is about how long a computer holds up until it's handed down the food chain and replaced. Even if you keep it for five years, software is going to continue to be backwards compatible with PowerPC chips for a very long time, so there's no need to fear getting left out in the cold. I'm not stating this for you Zim, but for others who may skim this thread and become concerned by Jack Fells suggestion of waiting for the Intel chips.
 
So, some of you guys are familiar with the Keystone store. Are you in Indy? I am in BR myself. Yeah, I checked out the FX1 they have at the store. I recorded some 1080i live in the store and then moved that down to a 720p workspace and it looked awesome. It gets rid of the interlacing artifacts. I plan to shoot in 1080i (none of this cineframe crap) and then downrez to 720p on my next project. This also helps to reduce compression artifacts and blown highlights (although I was able to avoid blown highlights with the right settings).
 
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