Is this a scam?

Blue Food, I can see exactly where you're coming from. And normally I would agree with you. And I think I do this time too, but -- gotta rant my justification first.

The problem I have here is with a "festival" that extorts massive amounts of money from gullible, desperate people, then slaps "awards" on their pictures. It's dishonest from top to bottom. Every single aspect of what happens here reeks of dishonesty.

It's not the filmmaker's fault. He worked hard to create something he thought was good. But instead of getting a realistic assessment of what he's done, now we have a guy who's unfairly, artificially, and one might even say nefariously, had his ego inflated, and he's understandably running with it, and he really, honestly has no idea how good (or bad) his picture is, because he's been propped up by a "festival" which has taken his money and told him whatever he wanted to hear.

I don't think he came here to "spam" in "defense" of the "festival", but he brought his work here as an example of how legitimate he felt that organization is.

Normally I think I'd be taking your side on this. And if I was thinking clearly, I probably would. And, by the end of this, I think I will. But, just try to understand...

I just get sick to my stomach by the high-pressure, offensive nature of how this "festival" operates. They push you for a $300 (or more!) festival fee, and they prey on the desperate filmmakers who've failed to get into any other legitimate festivals, and who are gasping for recognition. But instead of coming to an honest reckoning of the state of their work, this organization takes advantage of their emotional state by guaranteeing them acceptance (but only if they fork over the $300 entry fee) and then they start pressuring them to spend $1,000 or $3,000 or $5,000 or $10,000 for exhibition space, a booth, things like that.

It's cruel. What they do is, in my opinion, cruel. They get people whose films frankly aren't very good, and they fill them with false hope while taking their money, and then they push them to spend thousands more to "market" a film that in all actuality has little to no potential whatsoever. Having an unmarketable film is pretty much a prerequisite for even deciding to enter the a fest like this, because with such an exorbitant entry fee, any reasonable filmmaker would send their pic to 10 or 20 regular festivals, for the cost of entry to this one.

Did you watch the trailer posted? You should. The filmmaker is proudly crowing about winning six awards, claiming that this film is breaking Charlie Chaplin's record of the most awards won for one person for one film. Is it worthy of such accolades? Watch the trailer and decide for yourself. So where on earth did he get this idea? From the "festival" telling him anything and everything he wanted to hear, as long as he paid their fees.

Filmmakers need HONEST feedback. Not harsh criticism, and even far more damaging is the BS praise of family, friends, and organizations like this "fest". They set him up, they flat-out set him up to be royally embarrassed, and it's cruel.

Sooner or later, all these filmmakers will hear the real truth. They'll hear how good (or bad) their picture is. And for those who've made terrible pictures, it's going to be a sickening, gut-churning, horrible nauseating feeling to realize that they've made complete asses of themselves. Trust me, I've been there and done that. I invited hundreds of people (including the frickin' Mayor!) to a screening of my first disastrous horrible awful picture, because I was so sure it was great and everybody said so. When the ga-ga was pulled off my eyes and I realized just how bad it really was (and oh, it was!) I wanted to crawl away and disappear and never, ever see any of those people again.

Sure wish one of them would have had the cojones to tell me how bad the thing was before I went that far.

So I had no desire to denigrate the filmmaker or his work, what I wanted to show was how that organization occupies what I consider a low, greedy, vile and destructive position on the food chain, preying on those who have nowhere else to turn.

But you are correct, I didn't take this human being's feelings into account, and he isn't the perp here. He's a victim, and he shouldn't be further victimized. And whether I meant well or not, I have caused harm, and I apologize for that.
 
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So does anybody watch American Idol?

There are some damn good singers that don't get put on the show because the judges don't know what they're talking about...

The best part of the show is when somebody boasts that they're the best singer in the world... isn't even close... and then arrogantly leaves knowing that they really ARE great, don't need to work on anything, and they got shafted in the audition process.

I'm sorry for taking this off-topic... that had nothing to do with this thread...


Back on topic... I do think it's important to consider a person's feelings... but I think the nature of the "criticism" is borderline justified based on the "world's best" claims of the submission.
 
It looks like a couple of pages were cut from this thread. Your post was likely collateral damage, because I don't remember you ever saying anything that crossed the line... ever.
 
Thanks, Horse.

The post I wrote wasn't disrespectful to Talbot because I clearly stated that I hadn't seen his film, so I couldn't judge it. Most of my comments were directed at NYIFF and other "paid award" programs. The post contained facts, proof, and comparisons to other festivals. It was constructive and informative. If it offended any one I wish the mod, or person who was offended, would contact me and explain why. That way I can learn from my mistakes, instead of just wonder what happened to a post I worked 3 hours creating. Especially when there are some really hurtful posts still remaining in this topic.
 
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Talbot found himself in the unfortunate position of defending something that we all revile. Couple that with the arrogance of his trailer, contrasted with its quality, he became an easy target to be sure.
 
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=154749



I hate to be a party-pooper, but… this thread seems an awful lot like bullying to me.

I don’t see any reason to believe that Turbot is spamming on behalf of the NYIIFVF.

I think he’s just a guy who spent 14 years working on a project close to his heart, paid for a vanity-screening (which he described as the ‘greatest night of [his] life’), and who has, I imagine, just had his feelings crushed by several pages of relentless – not-exactly-constructive – p*ss-taking.

So the NYIIFVF are basically an indie-film equivalent of a vanity-publishing co. - and, yes, potential submitters should probably be made aware of that fact in the first place – but does that really make it okay to s**t on a 50+ year-old guy’s moment of glory, when he’s just spent close to a decade-and-a half completing a feature-film?

I’m not someone who generally tends to be ‘offended’ on behalf of other people, but personally, I just find this thread to be rather uncomfortable and cruel.

DP

Ohh god, just when the IMDB ratings are going through the roof you pull this.

FYI I wish you could hear what my empoyees say about me!
 
Blue Food, I can see exactly where you're coming from. And normally I would agree with you. And I think I do this time too, but -- gotta rant my justification first.

The problem I have here is with a "festival" that extorts massive amounts of money from gullible, desperate people, then slaps "awards" on their pictures. It's dishonest from top to bottom. Every single aspect of what happens here reeks of dishonesty.

It's not the filmmaker's fault. He worked hard to create something he thought was good. But instead of getting a realistic assessment of what he's done, now we have a guy who's unfairly, artificially, and one might even say nefariously, had his ego inflated, and he's understandably running with it, and he really, honestly has no idea how good (or bad) his picture is, because he's been propped up by a "festival" which has taken his money and told him whatever he wanted to hear.

I don't think he came here to "spam" in "defense" of the "festival", but he brought his work here as an example of how legitimate he felt that organization is.

Normally I think I'd be taking your side on this. And if I was thinking clearly, I probably would. And, by the end of this, I think I will. But, just try to understand...

I just get sick to my stomach by the high-pressure, offensive nature of how this "festival" operates. They push you for a $300 (or more!) festival fee, and they prey on the desperate filmmakers who've failed to get into any other legitimate festivals, and who are gasping for recognition. But instead of coming to an honest reckoning of the state of their work, this organization takes advantage of their emotional state by guaranteeing them acceptance (but only if they fork over the $300 entry fee) and then they start pressuring them to spend $1,000 or $3,000 or $5,000 or $10,000 for exhibition space, a booth, things like that.

It's cruel. What they do is, in my opinion, cruel. They get people whose films frankly aren't very good, and they fill them with false hope while taking their money, and then they push them to spend thousands more to "market" a film that in all actuality has little to no potential whatsoever. Having an unmarketable film is pretty much a prerequisite for even deciding to enter the a fest like this, because with such an exorbitant entry fee, any reasonable filmmaker would send their pic to 10 or 20 regular festivals, for the cost of entry to this one.

Did you watch the trailer posted? You should. The filmmaker is proudly crowing about winning six awards, claiming that this film is breaking Charlie Chaplin's record of the most awards won for one person for one film. Is it worthy of such accolades? Watch the trailer and decide for yourself. So where on earth did he get this idea? From the "festival" telling him anything and everything he wanted to hear, as long as he paid their fees.

Filmmakers need HONEST feedback. Not harsh criticism, and even far more damaging is the BS praise of family, friends, and organizations like this "fest". They set him up, they flat-out set him up to be royally embarrassed, and it's cruel.

Sooner or later, all these filmmakers will hear the real truth. They'll hear how good (or bad) their picture is. And for those who've made terrible pictures, it's going to be a sickening, gut-churning, horrible nauseating feeling to realize that they've made complete asses of themselves. Trust me, I've been there and done that. I invited hundreds of people (including the frickin' Mayor!) to a screening of my first disastrous horrible awful picture, because I was so sure it was great and everybody said so. When the ga-ga was pulled off my eyes and I realized just how bad it really was (and oh, it was!) I wanted to crawl away and disappear and never, ever see any of those people again.

Sure wish one of them would have had the cojones to tell me how bad the thing was before I went that far.

So I had no desire to denigrate the filmmaker or his work, what I wanted to show was how that organization occupies what I consider a low, greedy, vile and destructive position on the food chain, preying on those who have nowhere else to turn.

But you are correct, I didn't take this human being's feelings into account, and he isn't the perp here. He's a victim, and he shouldn't be further victimized. And whether I meant well or not, I have caused harm, and I apologize for that.

I'm confused now, is he in or out?
 
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http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=154749



I hate to be a party-pooper, but… this thread seems an awful lot like bullying to me.

I don’t see any reason to believe that Turbot is spamming on behalf of the NYIIFVF.

I think he’s just a guy who spent 14 years working on a project close to his heart, paid for a vanity-screening (which he described as the ‘greatest night of [his] life’), and who has, I imagine, just had his feelings crushed by several pages of relentless – not-exactly-constructive – p*ss-taking.

So the NYIIFVF are basically an indie-film equivalent of a vanity-publishing co. - and, yes, potential submitters should probably be made aware of that fact in the first place – but does that really make it okay to s**t on a 50+ year-old guy’s moment of glory, when he’s just spent close to a decade-and-a half completing a feature-film?

I’m not someone who generally tends to be ‘offended’ on behalf of other people, but personally, I just find this thread to be rather uncomfortable and cruel.
DP

This would be the approach used at the grade school level of life.

Everyone's a winner. Everyone gets a prize. Everyone gets to play. There is no loser, etc etc etc .....

So it's okay for everyone to tear apart the mainstream Hollywood movies, but for this person, it is not okay ?

Come on Blue Food.

All fair in love and film, right ?

-

If that Trailer was good, we'd all be geeking on it. It looks very very bad.

Maybe next time we'll lie and just say "Wow ... great job!" or "Congrats!"

Sigh
 
That's the thing I don't get... if it was good we would indeed have been geeking out or at least going "holy ****! I'm so impressed." It's one thing to watch a bad film and try to be objective about it... but when the filmmaker is crowing about how great it is... that is a different matter. And the fact that this "festival" is just building him up and taking his money... that doesn't sit right with any of us. In a festival or a competition you EARN the right to crow about how great your film is. Dude hasn't earned anything and especially if this is the only festival who would accept his work... but only becasue he had to pay them to do it. He might as well have save dhis money and gone and bought himself a replica Oscar statue.
 
funny thing is.. a buddy of mine fronted the cash to go to this piece of sh*t festival... everything mentioned about the upsell is accurate and also the empty screenings..

there is something to be said when the big credible festivals are only charging $25-$35 an entry.
 
BIRDEMIC: Shock and Terror

BIRDEMIC: Shock and Terror

I've been looking for a movie that would inspire me in the way Transylmania did a few months back, and I may have found it…

BIRDEMIC: Shock and Terror

I give you the trailer for what looks like a wonderfully-hilarious and perversely awful film…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNvBucoNSY&feature=player_embedded#

I've got tickets for Tuesday's screening at the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, and will post a full review afterwards at FilmEveryDay.

--SM
 
Stephen no! You've suffered much on our behalf so far. No need to take it to this level. For god sakes man: they have BIRDS!!
 
You know, I never would have even looked in this thread, except that it looked like I responded to it, but I don't remember ever doing that. Seems my "BIRDEMIC" thread was moved here, which is cool, but can we change the title of the thread to at least include the film title?

Anyway, listen, I'm not a masochist, though it's easy to see how one could make that assumption. But when a film screens at the Alamo Drafthouse, complete with filmmaker Q&A afterwards and costumes and props from the film in the lobby, well, how could I not go!?!

So, if you have questions you'd like me to ask the folks behind BIRDEMIC, let me know. I'll do my best to get the straight poop.
 
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