Is the D5000 the replacement?

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jrod81

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so should we be looking at the D5000 as the 7d or t2i competitor? i realize it is 720p which is is a huge hang up for many... what other issues make this a "no go" for a video DSLR?
 
The only issue I have with the D5000 is the jello that is always present. 720 or 1080 is the least of anyones worry when it comes to these dink toys.


At its best, D5000 takes better video *AND* stills in my humble opinion. But it's sometimes hit or miss with that, whereas with the 550D I'd get consistantly OK footage. Nothing wow though but it's a convenient camera with manual controls.

I notice horrible vertical banding and uneven noise patterns ALL the time on the 550D. At every kind of exposure. It's very subtle under normal exposures with little shadows/highlights, but I've included STILLS I've taken demonstrating the presense of the banding... (I've raised the shadows of the image to prove my point). It's alot worse in video.


All settings with HTP off, D-Lighting off etc.

Nikon D5000 ISO200, Shutter 1/100, 50mm f/5.6: How noise should look
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The Canon 550D, ISO200, Shutter 1/100, 50mm f/5.6: Ugly banding, uneven noise, and smear.
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I own the D90, and while I can get around its hangups (jello, auto gain, auto shutter, 720p, 24fps, 5min rec) it can really get frustrating at times.

My friend has the t2i, with the stock 18-55mm lens. I don't like the way the t2i handles gain. It's horrible on skin tone. But that is my only complaint. If you have good lighting, or can work with it stylisticly, than you're fine.

What is most important with these cameras is having good lenses. My friends stock lens hurts him when it comes to low light and composition. ALthough, there is a resolution difference, I like the look the lenses give over the look the camera gives.
 
I'll add, that the Canons are better video cameras in the DSLR realm. Didn't know if I made that clear in the previous post. I should've bought a lens adapter and a t2i.
 
still love my d5000, but my main problem is the auto iso and auto shutter speed.
and also the small screen resolution is sometimes a problem depending on what u do.
in most case it isnt a problem and that 'orientable screen' is really a great feature.
 
How do you get that much noise out of ISO 200 on any camera?
Also, can you be sure the Nikon is at ISO 200 since they don't have true manual control?
 
ethan cooper said:
How do you get that much noise out of ISO 200 on any camera?
Also, can you be sure the Nikon is at ISO 200 since they don't have true manual control?
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Those are my stills man.

The background is supposed to be black, but I've included a subject as well as gaining up the image to illustrate the major problems I have with noise bleeding terribly on her clothes and face and where there's supposed to be little to no detail.

It's much more useful to see than "shooting with lens cap on" btw, and a very good proof that the D5000 is an awesome camera and a very good cheap competitor to the 550D.
 
Ok, so those are stills and not frame grabs from video? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare frame grabs from both in video mode since that's the main use for people on this forum?
 
ethan cooper said:
Ok, so those are stills and not frame grabs from video? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare frame grabs from both in video mode since that's the main use for people on this forum?
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... because I don't care enough to do that? :dankk2:
I haven't shot any *video* with the D5000, plus I'm too lazy to get any of my D90 or D3S footage out as I already made my points earlier very clear.

But seeing as you've asked, here's some video problems illustrating the fatal flaw with my 550D (ISO 400, 1/50, F/2):

rubbishbanding.jpg


rubbishbanding2.jpg
 
I think a frame of video from each would actually bring better light to this comparison. Sure the still frame from each shows that the nikon clearly has much better looking grain/noise but a video frame will show where it lacks... just about everywhere else.

I still have a D90 kicking around and just got a 550 as a cheap B-cam to my 5D setup, and if we can agree that the D5000 is no upgrade video wise from the D90, I would say its a no brainer ... the 550 all the way.

If I get some time in the next week I may do a quick comparison between them, and since I own them all, I would figure it should be pretty unbiased.
 
BradM, does the banding appear randomly at times for your 550D too?

Also the D5000 appears to be a better video camera than the D90, it has more picture style settings and according to Vinyl Styx's videos, alot sharper too?

I don't think a video stills would prove anything that we didn't already know, unless you're willing to also do charts and moving subjects to show the jello and softness in your tests :)

The jello is what makes me prefer the 550D, and the banding makes me prefer the Nikons for the low light video and stills performance.
 
Ya I find the 550 banding to be much worse then say the 5D, and it seems kinda random but tbh I haven't used it enough to verify that. Maybe heat or something plays a factor I donno.
 
That banding in normal for a CMOS sensor. It's pattern noise. It's caused by differences in noise level between pixels and most importantly, columns. It can be calibrated, but a simple calibration is done at a specific temperature, so it might not be as good with a hot or very cold camera. It looks bad because it is not statistical. It does not change from frame to frame like normal noise. If it does change (moving patterns/waves), there are electrical interference problems also which cannot be calibrated.
 
i still do not understand the widespread abandonment of CCD by the major manufacturers...

i cannot use CMOS for most of my work (90%) and frankly i do not think jello/skew is acceptable in ANY camera over $2000 USD. Frankly i am very disappointed at all the new 'pro-sumer' entries from panasonic canon and sony, as they are all CMOS.

That T2i/550D still shot looks horrible; more like what i would expect from a point and shoot or a webcam.
 
Zissou said:
That T2i/550D still shot looks horrible; more like what i would expect from a point and shoot or a webcam.
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Well I don't think the camera is that bad, afterall, crushing the blacks, colour correcting the banding rainbow noise on the hair/clothes/skin reduces it abit:

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I must say, it is really stupid the extra work that has to go in to remove this random banding and noise. But my point is, from my experience, the "CMOS" banding noise is not as severe on the Nikon products. Maybe I've just been incredibly unlucky with Canon, who knows. (I doubt it, I see even worse examples all the time on the 550D/7D board...)

Also macroblocking on the D90 is far, far easier to fix than random-banding-noise-jiggling on the 550D. Fact.
 
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