Is Premier the best editing software?

MrPolarBare said:
Here is a simple $100 solution from Pinnacle

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Home+Video/Studio+Family/Studio+MediaSuite+version+10.htm

I've never used it so I can't recommend it.

-Mike McLin
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NO NO NO!!

Pinnacle SUCKS!
I have had major problems with every single project that involved Pinnacle - from Pinnacle Studio all the way up to their top of the line silver systems. Hours of lost student projects, incompatibilties, hundereds of dollars worth of crhased drives and lost work on features, etc.. Not worth it.

If you want a cheper editing system, get Adobe Premiere Elements. http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/main.html - Lists for $99 and does 90% of what Premiere Pro does. - I'd ratehr sue Elements than Premiere 6.5! So much power for so cheap. Very hard to beat for editing value.

- Mikko
 
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saturnin said:
Premiere was modeled after FCP so that should give you some insite. If i ever decide to switch to MAC, the learning curve on FCP will be easy, shmeazy!
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Not sure that is correct. Premiere has been around considerably longer than FCP. (Years longer in fact)
 
see the thing is everyone has different pcs and some crash while using premiere, some crash while using vegas, some crash while using avid. ETC. If everyone had top of the line units, i dot think all this crashing would happen, or maybe i'm wrong

I've never had an issue with any premieres crashing even after a long day of use, i've had AE crash sometimes.
We all started somewhere, with me i got exposed to premiere 5 or somthign stupid in the mid 90's and i stuck with it. Each software at the start is overwheleming when you dont know the basics etc, but after a few weeks it gets easier and easier. It is true that after using one NLE for majority of projects, switching ot another one can be very hard. What i suggest you do is get books and or if u know someone who uses a particualr NLE that u want to learn and if they live in your town, pay them for lessons. Or even ask them if u can sit in on a session here and there, providing you odnt bug them lol
 
I've been using premiere since version 6.0, and have just recently upgraded from 1.5 to 2.0. I also have Avid and Vegas on my system but I find for most work, I still end up using premiere because of the tight AE and Photoshop integration. Having a DVX and serious issues with 24pa in 1.5, I was very tempted to just dump premiere, but I stuck with it and now am loving 2.0

Premiere used to be known as a "lesser" program compared to final cut and avid, but now, especially with 2.0, it is really a contender. It's my favourite, but the others are just as good. I actually find avid much more buggy than premiere 2.0 and the vegas interface just seems alien to me. That being said I was using vegas alot for 24pa stuff when premiere 1.5 was giving me issues.

As others have said, try the demos and see which one you like the best. They all do the same stuff, and if you're just starting out, any of them will get ya going.
 
Shooter said:
Not sure that is correct. Premiere has been around considerably longer than FCP. (Years longer in fact)
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It is correct. I will try and find the article, but basically, the guy who origianlly designed FCP left the company becasue he was unhappy with the direction it was heading. So he joined adobe and created Premiere Pro, which makes older versions look like... well, a really crappy NLE.

I'm going to hunt down the article i read this.

~ Jim
 
mikkowilson said:
NO NO NO!!

Pinnacle SUCKS!
I have had major problems with every single project that involved Pinnacle - from Pinnacle Studio all the way up to their top of the line silver systems. Hours of lost student projects, incompatibilties, hundereds of dollars worth of crhased drives and lost work on features, etc.. Not worth it.

If you want a cheper editing system, get Adobe Premiere Elements. http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/main.html - Lists for $99 and does 90% of what Premiere Pro does. - I'd ratehr sue Elements than Premiere 6.5! So much power for so cheap. Very hard to beat for editing value.

- Mikko
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I 2nd mikko's comment, my 1st dvd I made I edited on pinnacle....oh god the horror, the horror! I think it froze my comp like 100 times and messed up like at least 10 dvd's trying to burn on that program. I had to save like every minute in fear of it crashing. After I used premiere 6.0 (which sucked by the way) editing was so much crash free and when I moved on to premiere pro 1.5(which was like 20x's better than 6.0) and FCP I was almost never crashing and workflow was very well....fluid.

as for my opinion, I like premiere the best but I am a lil upset about non native hd support in 2.0 but besides that I love it esp since I use photoshop, illustrator, AE, and flash extensively. One thing adobe did recently that will make them better is that they bought macromedia so yea they got full flash integration in AE now and blah blah blah. super compatibility with macromedia and adobe products is what im sayin.

this is a bunch of jibber jabber, dont mind me.

edit: I just realized how many times i used the word "like" I think I have been hangin out witha certain lady friend too much....
 
Digitally Pleasing said:
It is correct. I will try and find the article, but basically, the guy who origianlly designed FCP left the company becasue he was unhappy with the direction it was heading. So he joined adobe and created Premiere Pro, which makes older versions look like... well, a really crappy NLE.

I'm going to hunt down the article i read this.

~ Jim
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I would be interested to read that but I have been using Premiere since its inception at least ten years ago. (The version numbers I forget but I had everyone of them including the original beta). I assure you there was nothing on the market called FCP (Final Cut Pro) . Apart from AVid and a couple of obscure other pro NLEs , I think the only alternative was a Ulead product.

It maybe correct that someone involved in FCP became involved in a Premiere upgrade but that would not qualify the statement that Premiere was modeled after FCP.
 
I was under the impression that FCP was originally "Premiere Final Cut" but was never developed, the guy who was leading the project (and was an original designer of Premiere) left Adobe, took Final Cut with him, after a few failed attempts at the project, Apple finally bought it and made it into FCP.

So supposedly FCP is really the child of Premiere! :huh:

- Mikko
 
Not true, FCP was originally developed at Macromedia, Apple purchased it to be a consumer grade editor like iVdeo, but Isaac, the first product manager kept pushing for it to be a higher end editing system.
 
Here's an article i found. I swear I read somewhere that the FCP developer left Apple and went to Adobe, but I guess it was viseversa. Oh well, shotty memory.

Here the link: http://videosystems.com/mag/video_matrox_axio/

Here's the excerpt:

Adobe Premiere Pro?

First, because Axio is mated to Premiere Pro and Premiere suffers a mixed reputation, it's fair to ask: How serious is Adobe about Premiere Pro?
Premiere in 1991 was the original Mac QuickTime movie editor. Rendering timelines as QuickTime files was time-consuming, even hair-pulling, but quarter-screen images at 15fps from desktop editing seemed amazing.
By the mid '90s, Avid's Media Composer, with its dedicated hardware and proprietary Mac file format, had made inroads into film and broadcast editing, while Premiere's clumsy A/B editing interface and rendering of previews and transitions confined it to short works for CD-ROMs.
In 1995, Adobe's rival, Macromedia hired away Premiere's creators, Randy Ubillos and team, to reinvent QuickTime video editing. A post-Ubillos Adobe rewrite of Premiere in 1998, version 5.0, introduced three-point editing and improved media management. But it's mainly remembered for instability and crashes.
By 1996, however, Macromedia had caught Internet fever and decided to focus on interactive web applications. At NAB 1998 Macromedia hung a “for sale” sign on Ubillos' “Final Cut.” Initially reluctant, Apple wrote a check, added FireWire support (for another mid-'90s innovation, DV), and launched Final Cut Pro at NAB 1999. You know the rest.
As newer NLE programs overtook Premiere, Adobe continued to update it all the way up to version 6.5. But in August 2003 Adobe launched an entirely new program, Premiere Pro 1.0, jettisoning the clumsy A/B timeline in favor of a single timeline typical of Avid and FCP. Adobe also dropped support for the Mac, the better to concentrate on the wider world of Windows XP.
Just as Final Cut's creators had once scrutinized Avid's strengths and weaknesses, so Adobe Premiere Pro's creators had examined, even emulated, Final Cut Pro. (Adobe ironically swallowed Macromedia in December.)
Premiere Pro 1.0 had drag-and-drop editing, realtime playback, multiple timelines, nesting, tabbed sequences, three-point color correction, native YUV color space, waveform and vectorscope displays, multi-channel audio including 5.1, sub-frame audio editing, better media management, and wider output options including DV, WM9, and MPEG-2.
Premiere Pro 1.5 soon added support for 24p, 720p, 1080i, and AAF, along with realtime credit rolls and Bezier curves for motion effects.
The new Premiere Pro 2.0 brings multicam editing, native HDV support, 10-bit and 16-bit color resolution with 32-bit internal color processing for primary and secondary color correction, and Clip Notes, which lets you export Premiere Pro 2.0 sequences to PDF files in the form of embedded or streamed video (WM or QT).
Premiere Pro 2.0 introduces a new tabbed interface consistent with those of After Effects, Encore DVD, and Audition. Along with Photoshop, Illustrator, Bridge, and Dynamic Link, these comprise Adobe's new Production Studio Premium package.
Bridge is dedicated file-management software for organizing and browsing project elements. Think of it as flexible search, annotation, and archiving via XMP (Extensible Metadata Platform). Dynamic Link is dynamite: modifications of After Effects compositions are automatically updated on the Premiere Pro timeline, no rendering necessary. Endless importing of adjusted compositions to the NLE timeline is a thing of the past.
Clearly Adobe, one of software's 500lb. gorillas, is positioning Premiere Pro 2.0 as the FCP of Windows XP. Those who have ignored Premiere's checkered past and approached Premiere Pro with an open mind have been mightily impressed — this reviewer included.
 
Ok so it seems that Final cut Originated from "Premiere" then Premiere PRO was modeled after current NLE Final cut being one of them
 
SilverWolf said:
Ok so it seems that Final cut Originated from "Premiere" then Premiere PRO was modeled after current NLE Final cut being one of them
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Yeah, basically. The guy who made the Premiere (up to version 4) developed his dream NLE for Macromedia. Macromedia sold it Apple and called it Final Cut Pro. Adobe then tried to reestablish themsleves with a "FCP for windows," aka Premiere Pro. Like the article said, the ironic thing is that Adobe ended up buying Macromedia.

~ Jim
 
x-angel said:
I just like premiere due to how it meshes pretty seamless with the other adobe apps.
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Here here. With the suite of apps you can do a lot of things not possible with just an nle and they make it very easy to transfer work.
 
My Opinion

My Opinion

I began editing video when i was about 14. For some reason I got something in the mail from sonic foundry, and decided to get a hold of vegas and try it out. I learned Vegas rather quickly, even if I was just editing webcam footage. Then about a year afterwards, I got a hold of premiere. I couldn't understand a damn thing, so I gave up and went back to Vegas. About a year ago I tried to switch to Avid and found it entirely hard. Way too hard. So again i tried premiere, this time understanding a bit more. I bought a book and figured it out. I can still help out others, and I always offer Vegas as a first choice for beginning editors. But always make the jump to FCP, Premiere, or Avid, as these are most likely what you'll run into in the industry. That's why I went to Premiere, it's a lot closer to FCP. And each new system offers new options, and just find the workflow that works for you.

Josh
Editor
www.ReluctantProductions.com
 
FilmMakerr said:
Well, is it?
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The best NLE is the one you are most comfortable and adept at using. Period.

I edited on an $80,000 Avid system for many years when I worked for "the man", but after going out on my own I started with Premiere 5.5 and all the versions up to the current Pro 2.0.
 
Yeah there's really not that much one NLE can do that another can't. Premiere Pro and Final Cut are SO similar in workflow, layout, and functionality most people can go between them pretty easily
 
Did you know that the person who designed FCP designed Premiere first. Just a fun fact I learned today.
 
overnighttolondon said:
Yeah there's really not that much one NLE can do that another can't. Premiere Pro and Final Cut are SO similar in workflow, layout, and functionality most people can go between them pretty easily
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That's a good thing - If I ever goto to FCP it'd be nice not to have a giant learning curve.
jdv
 
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